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    True Vision Global - using religion!

    This is a new scam involving Charles Andrade (scammer) and several other people unfamiliar to me. You need to listen to this video and especially after the 31 minute mark. Using God as the sales medium!!!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxrOOnyybgQ

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    Oh, sure.

    Send money off to an unregistered charity which uses a HYIP ponzi fraud "matrix" to supposedly raise money.


    Can we spell "Fraud" with a capital "F" ??




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    END HUNGER MISSION

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    If you are a Missionary you need to watch this!

    Rev. Mitchell McQuinn explains the PMebook funding program for missionaries and churches.

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    T hey have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints.
    1 Cor.16:1
    What is the TEAM MISSION Christian Sponsorship Program?

    The CSP is a funding program for Pastors, Missionaries, Ministries and Low Income Families - those on fixed incomes, disability, victims of typhoon or social welfare programs., through our personal ministry. Using the Penny Matrix business plan, by Tracy Davison, an individual or ministry is sponsored into the PMeBOOKbusiness. The business then begins to grow through the selling of memberships into the PMeBook Club either on auto pilot or through the sponsored individuals personal membership salesand over time the person sponsored slowly begins to grow a residual income.
    Why use Penny Matrix and the PMeBook club?

    For two main reasons, price and continued funding.


    1) Price - For just $7.00 a month the individual can earn an income of $6553.00 when their personal matrix is filled. The matrix is filled through clients EBook membership sales both by the company and the individual (only if the individual desires to do so, the individual is not expected to make personal sales) if the individual choses to adds personal sales to the business their business will grow quicker, and the individual will earn a matching bonus of 100% on each membership sold.

    2) Continued funding – many times in a ministry different types of funding are sought through such things as – direct solicitation, PIM’s, bake sales, bike-a-thons, chocolate bar sales, Avon drives, you name it; and yes, they are fun but they are a onetime donation. They serve as an addition to regular giving and they tax the saints as the money always comes from the same source, the saint’s pockets.
    Using the PMeBooks as a home based business for an additional income source, the individual makes a one time commitment of $7.00 a month and is then paid monthly; giving a continuous income from an outside source.

    What can the Christian Sponsorship Program be used for?

    Since the income derived is a business income it can be used as:


    1) An added income source for a Pastor, Missionary, Evangelist, or low income family.

    2) It can be used to increase the business income for long term funding needs of Orphanages, Churches, Church schools, Charitable programs, or Community projects, anywhere traditional funding methods are used.
    What are the additional benefits of using PMeBooks as a additional income source?

    The benefits are many:

    1) Since the income is a business income- expenses against the business can be claimed lowering the tax burden on many families.

    2) Since the client is purchasing a product from PMeBooks,no additional bookwork is required by the individual or group and no charitable receipt is issued again cutting down on bookkeeping expenses.

    3) Through PMebooks the individual can download 11 Free eBooks in their first month and 1 Free eBook every month afterward.

    4) Through PmEbooks you can also publish your own eBooks, manuals and sermons at no extra cost, just your regular membership of $7.00 per month.

    5) You can also advertise for your business, church or ministry by writing a review about your business and publishing it to the PMeBook site the eBook can include up to three hyperlinks within it, sending traffic back to your webpage. Pmebooks is projecting a North American market of 35,000,000 and worldwide of 200,000,000 in the coming years

    6) As you are offering both a superior product and a home-based business with residual income many are quick to purchase theirmembership therefore growing your business quicker.

    7) The company PMeBooks make available recruits who will help to fill the matrix through their sister company Pinoy Recruiters.

    8) The company is based on a 2x14 matrix system which allows for incredible spill over which will eventually fill the matrix.
    How does the program work?

    1) To Sponsor an Individual


    Make sure you are part of the Team Mission matrix, if you are not already a part of Team Mission purchase your own membership first under this url.Pennymatrix
    Do I have to sign up under team Mission if I already have my own matrix?

    NOTE NEW POLICY CHANGE: When we first began Team Mission the answer to this question was no, but after about a week or so into the project we began noticing a disturbing tread- those missionaries sponsored under Team Mission were doing much better than those in random matrixes, but Team Mission was all one sided and some missionaries were left in the cold. So for the sake of fairness to all and to continue to help the Missionaries reach the place where their matrixes are paying for themselves in the 2 month allotted time frame.

    The answer to this question is now YES.
    You create a new account under Team Mission and then place your sponsored Missionaries under your new account to receive your matching bonuses; by doing this you will be supporting missionaries who are above you in the matrix and below you and we fill the matrix from left to right and all are cared for equally, therefore multiplying your giving.

    Luke 6:38
    Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over,…

    Then go to this site and sign up for sponsors, please remember to add the number of individuals you would like to sponsor: The Christian Sponsorship Program


    Check with your up line to see if there are any sponsorship incentives for your team.

    Once you are registered in the system then when individuals become available, you will be contacted by email with your instructions, names and email addresses, you then sponsor them into the team Mission Matrix under your own name. Sponsorship continues 1- 2 months or until the sponsor receives $10.00 from the company. At no time can your sponsored individual see your personal credit card information.

    Once you have entered your sponsor into the matrix you send back the username and password you created for your sponsor to your up line or to me directly at loismcquinn@gmail.com


    2) How can I apply for Sponsorship

    Just sign up at the link below and you will be contacted as soon as you are signed into the program with your url, username and password. You then proceed to the site and complete your sign up with your address and personal information. As soon as you are receiving $10.00 ( one to two months) from the company change the payment method in your back office and begin paying for your personal membership. You now have your own businesses and your income will continue to grow over the next months.
    The Christian Sponsorship Program

    If you have any questions about the program please don’t hesitate to contact us through email.
    The Lord’s richest blessings,
    End Hunger Mission blogspot

    How did the "End Hunger Mission" go, Lois ??
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    Who who wants to puke??????

    Read this crap from none other than David Sherman! I want these criminals behind bars!

    >>> Pre-Launch Invitation of MASSIVE GLOBAL HUMANITARIAN EFFORT

    Hello Brothers and Sisters in Christ, You are called to be Leaders!

    This is an Invitation to all Church, Mission, Charitable and Other Christian Leaders

    How To Turn $10 into $6000
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    Attention all interested in Fund Raising, whether for yourself, Church,
    profit or non profit organizations... you need prepare for the Launch of
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    The Boy Scouts of America and Girl Scouts of America just joined.

    Launch date is scheduled for September 15th 2014 and YOU are now
    invited to learn about this company...its MISSION...its VISION and
    why you want to be a part of this!

    More Importantly you want to know why you need to position yourself
    or your Organization as a VIP member!

    The following Video gives you Insight into what's all about. You have one of two
    Steps to following AFTER viewing the videos...

    1. You can simply email me asking to be added to the list so as to receive the
    sign up link on September 15th!

    2. You can email me if you wish to join as a VIP before all 1000 VIP positions are filled.

    We strongly advise you to view the Videos Below...then ACT accordingly!

    This is earmarked to be a MAJOR International success, with or without you...
    Be sure to position yourself with one of the fastest moving teams in the company
    and comfortably acquire your share in the wealth!

    1.Here is the Team and Compensation plan:
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    (I recommend you watch the entire video,
    but if too long for you, watch from the 20th minute)


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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxrOOnyybgQ


    1. To be placed on our list...You MUST put the statement
    "COUNT ME IN THE EFFORT" in the Subject Line and
    Send it to Lhnsystems@gmail.com.

    2. To Join as a VIP... You MUST put the statement
    "READY WITH $99 TO JOIN AT VIP" in the Subject Line.
    NOTE: You may join now as a VIP and put your Sponsor under Other as David Sherman The subscription will not
    start until launch. We can also name the Organization we want to represent later.

    3. You can also go to tvgpre-registration and register today for free. When it asks how you heard about TVG
    check the OTHER box and type in my name: David Sherman. Reply back to me after you register for free so I can keep
    you updated with launch details. I came in at the VIP level and will also be at the $30. Upgrade for Charity.

    4. If you come in as a VIP let me know and I will call Charles so you get priority placement directly to me in the top or the matrix. We are placing leaders now. I am looking for ten VIPs who will also upgrade to the $30 Charity level and try for 10 Leaders also. I have Charles phone number so I can lock in your leaders under you also.

    SPECIAL NOTE: I am working on my own company with a corporate giant in the leisure rewards industry that provides corporations with all their perks for the employees. The wonderful thing is that I was interviewed and Sean wants me to be Master Distributor for the new internet division. Praise the Lord! I am very hopeful because I know God is in the center of this venture and it will be a blessing to all my friends and associates. Please keep me up in prayer and thanks for your loyalty over the years. This may be a benefit of True Vision Global too as I am going to be speaking with Charles Androd today or Monday.

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    Now Ken Russo is pimping this scam! I hate this guy!

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    Re: True Vision Global - using religion!

    Quote Originally Posted by busttheblock View Post
    The Boy Scouts of America and Girl Scouts of America just joined.
    One has to wonder whether or not the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts are aware that they allegedly joined this scam.



    Just in case anyone wants to inform them:

    http://www.girlscouts.org/contact/email.asp
    http://scoutingnewsroom.org/contact/
    Last edited by surfer; 09-11-2014 at 08:24 AM.

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    Hello - Tim Judd Here - I'm new here as I was recently sent the link by a friend interested in TVG - so I thought I'd take a minute to reply. I realize that some people consider anything that involves networking or any form of promotion outside the traditional corporate ad spending and especially if those promoting are compensated for their efforts must be some type of scam so I won't waste time challenging the ignorance in their flawed logic.

    I'll just address some of the questions involving True Vision Global to the best of my ability. The first thing I wanted to point out is that it is not a non-profit, or not-for-profit program but a membership funded program that is at it core structured to benefit churches, charities, orphanages, and other worthy causes while also providing them a means for residual funding as opposed to occasional sales or asking for donations. The program is also designed to allow for sponsorship of causes that will not be participating in the program but will receive funding by those that sponsor the cause.

    An example of this is that I was invited by a friend with a son that has a relatively rate illness that gets less research and funding grants than more common ones and for her creating more visibility is important - and my goals are both to help others create income, and like any marketing program to also to be able to do more with the projects and causes that I care about.

    The reception to the program is so far nothing less than incredible - and even if others don't agree you can design something that is humanitarian in it's goals while still providing a means to fund the growth and to benefit others - Just because you haven't done it - doesn't mean that it can't be done - or that the motives of those involved are suspect or that their beliefs should be questioned on this basis. The OP may feel it's appropriate to say "Charles Andrade Scammer" but making the statement doesn't make it true. He doesn't need me to defend his reputation and unlike many that post online anonymous - is transparent and open to his efforts from everything I've seen and you are welcomed to contact him online as he's doesn't hide in a hole or anonymous usernames without identifying himself. Neither do I - which i why I posted my name in the first sentence.

    If anything involving online marketing is considered a scam to you - I agree - to you is it a scam and you will never be successful employing it. If caring about people other than yourself and you have no causes that you are passionate about - I agree you will likely not achieve more than what you do now. If you don't believe in God while others do - I agree - to you your god can be seen only in the mirror and even the reflection of what is important will be gone when you are.

    When you have over 130,000 people enrolled interested in promoting a program because of what they recognize even before it launches - can you attest to the motives of every single one and determine how much of their excitement is attributed to their interest in creating additional income for their family vs their mindset of altruism and wanting to contribute to more that just their own needs - of course not. These are the things that we only know about ourselves at an intimate level. The lifetime membership is limited to a specific number of participants - so although I appreciate the graphic posted - it may no longer be available when others view it - but chose it for myself because I don't base my decisions solely on the opinions of others that post speculation in forums.

    Do I know for certain that it will have that global impact that we all hope for? - of course not - but I do know that all of the churches, charity programs, and even my friend with her cause for her son are optimistic and grateful to be involved. Will the push program be phenomenally successful for those in the Philippines sponsored be their Army and Navy - I don't know - but hope so. Will the 130 pastors in India that recently came aboard be successful in helping with shelter and clean water for their community - I don't know but have faith. Will the TV channel we sponsor be received with as much enthusiasm? I know - but hope so. With the movie about human trafficking with the family of Martin Luther King Jr's family be one that makes people think and want to do something about it? I don't know - but it I am hopeful in that too. The only thing for certain is that if no one does anything - nothing will get done and I have no problem being compensated for my time for something that I'd have participated in for nothing. .

    I don't know if the forum rules here allow posting a link to contact me directly with questions as I'm too busy to follow threads everywhere - so I'll error on the side of caution out of respect for their site and others and include a non- click-able one (TJudd.com) but also mention I am open to answer publicly to those that have questions to those that don't hide in the shadows or are anonymous cowards. None of us are perfect, can walk on water, or claim to be - but we are sincere in our attempts to make a difference that will hopefully last beyond our lives.

    Have an incredible day - Tim - I've got to get back to work

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    Re: True Vision Global - using religion!

    You failed to address 2 of the biggest online scammers pushing your 'program'. What did you to do to vet them (other than nothing) if you are legit?

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    Whip, that appears to be Timothy Judd of the My Bridge Card drawing entry form site - pretty much a serial con man himself wrapped in "Christian" affinity fraud. He's definitely a Kool-aid drinker, if you've seen his many Facebook pages and denial of "negative people."
    If you are in Prosper With Integrity, and do not like that your personal information has been published here, please talk to these good people: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov http://www.ic3.gov http://www.fbi.gov

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    @ Whip - thanks for you reply - I'm not sure who you're referring to as but I'm only responsible for my own actions and intentions - the same as you or anyone else. There are thousands of people in the program and of course a lot of ministers, pastors, reverends, - whatever they prefer to be called in their denomination - but vetting people to me isn't the best way for me to spend my time. I typically take people at face value and remind myself that there's not a single person on the planet that would feel comfortable with having their entire life displayed on a big screen for the world to view - and also that people are capable of positive change even if they have skeletons in their closet. Also I may have a different view of what it meant to be a Christian than others and don't try and force them on others - and anyone that claims to be a Christian would have to agree that those Jesus was closest to had very checkered pasts before they made a decision to choose another path. As for the program TVG- there's nothing anyone here could say that would make me question my decision to try and achieve more in life and to give back to others as I'm able.

    @Henry - thanks for sharing the link as the page for drawings has been the same for years as most of my business comes from referrals for my food biz. I probably should check to see if the links are still active to info sites - but it's not a priority at this time as I'm busy - but you have the time - so I appreciate if you'd let me know =) . Hey - ya never know but if TVG does well as everyone hopes it will - I may later decide to sell my food biz anyway and do it full time. Also thanks for visiting my page on FB - you didn't have to be afraid to say hello - it was the reason I posted it here - and yes it's true that I prefer to interact with positive people and delete those that are knuckleheads and spammers, but i do my best not to pre-judge anyone even you. I have to run because there's some Kool-aid to drink that oddly enough goes great with a porterhouse steak.

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    Re: True Vision Global - using religion!

    Since you want to hide behind the veil of religion, you don't think it prudent to warn your 'flock' of potential danger in dealing with scammers? What if the scammers aren't "capable of positive change even if they have skeletons in their closet."? (They aren't as they have been proven to be participating in scams time and time again.) Why do you think this thread even exists? People getting ripped off is just as much on you since you think you can position yourself in some kind of holier than thou pulpit and try to claim 'none on me'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    Since you want to hide behind the veil of religion, you don't think it prudent to warn your 'flock' of potential danger in dealing with scammers?
    To say nothing of the dangers behind "Affinity Fraud" and why the SEC finds it necessary to warn against Affinity Fraud

    That the Federal Trade Commission has issued an FTC warning against affinity fraud

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has taken the trouble to warn its' members with an Official Statement - affinity fraud

    The North American Securities Administrators Association found it necessary to do likewise while offering examples of recent Affinity Fraud cases such as:

    In October, trial is scheduled to begin in Florida for seven officials of the Tampa-based Greater Ministries International Church. They are charged in a 20-count federal indictment alleging conspiracy, money laundering and mail fraud. State securities regulators and prosecutors believe Greater Ministries operated a massive Ponzi scheme that may have defrauded more than 17,000 investors nationwide of as much as $200 million.

    Many of the investors were fundamentalist Christians, including Mennonites in rural Pennsylvania, Ohio and Virginia, according to Michael Byrne, director of enforcement at the Pennsylvania Securities Commission. They were told their money would double in installment payments made over 17 months or less. Investors were quoted Luke 6:38: “Give, and it shall be given unto you.” Greater Ministries officials told investors that state and federal securities laws didn’t apply to them because the investments were “gifts” to the Church and the payments from the church to investors, called “blessings,” were not subject to taxes.

    In Texas, a former Sunday school teacher, Renju Malayil Thomas of Missouri City, is being sought by the FBI on charges that he swindled at least 33 people, many of them church members, out of more than $1 million. Thomas, according to Texas Securities Commissioner Denise Voigt Crawford, victimized members of a church in Stafford. The victims, like him, were immigrants from India. Thomas and another man, Thomas Mathew, scheduled to go on trial in mid-September, allegedly got money from investors to buy nationally known stocks and then stashed the cash in their personal bank and brokerage accounts.

    In Illinois, the Illinois Securities Department is investigating an oil and gas investment scheme in which the promoter targeted Christians by claiming he had built a device to find oil based on visions he had received from God. About 150 investors are believed to have lost more than $1 million.

    In Wisconsin, this month (September), Bernell Ross of Milwaukee will go on trial for securities fraud. Ross was allegedly going to create a local minority-owned and operated telephone company. To raise money for this venture, Ross targeted members of the Milwaukee inner city, often going through local churches to reach parishioners. Hundreds of Milwaukee residents are believed to have invested. They were told that they would make money on the operations of the company and through a future public offering. Soon after the money was raised the company, Intra Community Communications, filed for bankruptcy protection.

    Religious affinity fraud can be more general manipulations based on religious faith. In Indiana, for example, state securities regulators say elderly investors were duped into buying bogus promissory notes by three men, two insurance agents and an investment adviser, who often got on their knees and prayed with their victims to gain their trust.

    In Alabama in late July, Wayne Gregory of Madison was sentenced to 30 years for bilking 30 retirement age investors out of nearly $6 million. At the sentencing hearing, Gregory was greeted with jeers and boos as he tried to apologize to his victims. The judge received many letters about Gregory, a former financial consultant. Many victims, the judge said, were drawn to Gregory because he was charismatic and had “Christian values.”

    In Pennsylvania earlier this year several small Catholic churches were defrauded of about $1 million by an investment adviser-parishioner who had won the trust of parish priests.
    Do a quick Google search using the term: "Affinity fraud warning" or simply click on that link and you'll find around About 9,080,000 results, so, the threat of affinity fraud is very, very real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalincome View Post
    @Henry - thanks for sharing the link as the page for drawings has been the same for years as most of my business comes from referrals for my food biz. I probably should check to see if the links are still active to info sites - but it's not a priority at this time as I'm busy - but you have the time - so I appreciate if you'd let me know =) . Hey - ya never know but if TVG does well as everyone hopes it will - I may later decide to sell my food biz anyway and do it full time. Also thanks for visiting my page on FB - you didn't have to be afraid to say hello - it was the reason I posted it here - and yes it's true that I prefer to interact with positive people and delete those that are knuckleheads and spammers, but i do my best not to pre-judge anyone even you. I have to run because there's some Kool-aid to drink that oddly enough goes great with a porterhouse steak.
    Your food business is, in my eyes, far more honest than several of your online ones, Timothy, even if you are pushing gourmet foods with one hand and welfare food with the other.

    Take cannabiscashflow.com, for example. Is it really "Christian" to be seeking to profit from people in pain, and doing so via a MLM structure in a locale where the medicinal plant in question is not yet legal?

    Or christianfundinggroup.com. Every regular here knows how I feel about cash gifting, and it isn't hard to find out that in Michigan, it is a crime to be involved with. Even worse, this particular gifting scheme has financial ties to older scams from the very top. Do the names Zeek Rewards and OneX ring any bells?

    Do I want to look into what 810girl.com was about? Or powerfulpreselling.com? Seniorsupplementalincome.com? Investmentlove.com? You do remember the warning in the Bible about the root of evil, I hope, and why both Christianity and Islam technically forbid charging interest. Latestjackpot.com?

    Whether you are in Farwell, Flint, Mt. Morris or Saginaw, your Internet footprints show me things about your ethics that belie the image you are trying to cultivate with Ishepherd.com.
    If you are in Prosper With Integrity, and do not like that your personal information has been published here, please talk to these good people: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov http://www.ic3.gov http://www.fbi.gov

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    Thanks guys for the replies.

    One thing that I did want to mention while here is that although the program is based on Christian principle of helping others - it's not exclusionary or to prohibit anyone with any beliefs to join and participate. Considering that there are likely 100's of denominations in the Christian faith alone - this wouldn't make much sense. In fact there are those that have no religious or church affiliation that simply want to participate for a worthy cause they are passionate about. I think sometimes when you say you are a Christian - others try to look for inconsistencies or actions that would differ with their personal definition - but that's one thing about beliefs - we don't have to agree to want to become better people or do contribute more. A drunk prostitute can buy a homeless guy a sandwich and is more Christian in my opinion than then guy in the Armani suit that simply walked by.

    @ Whip - i don't hide behind anything nor do I have a "Flock"' or in general talk to anyone incapable of making their own decisions but understand if you have reservations about participating in anything without first gathering facts to see if it's something that is truly being designed and implement to help others and not some type of scam. No one could object to this and it's noble to warn others if you found something that was - but for people to summarily classify something as a scam simply because it compensates others to promote or using networking to market as opposed to tradition tv ads, direct mail, etc - is not any more ethical than those that are actually running scams in my opinion. This thread is suspiciously quiet in providing anything that would support the OP's opinion that it was a scam - and my guess is that it's because it was an unfounded statement made by someone that considers everything a scam - maybe because they failed to achieve success and are venting outward and looking for others to blame or maybe just enjoys the attention. What makes TVG a scam ? It hasn't even launched yet as has had a positive impact for many people. Is it because it also has a networking component to the compensation to provide funding that automatically is considered a scam ? Are the participants here so bent on calling everything a scam and everyone a con artist that participates - even when a program is designed with the opposite goal? That's just sad.

    Being new here - I believe the site can provide a valuable service when those participating have a sincere interest in helping others - but commenting my opinions about TVG - see that it's just as likely to make yourself a target of attack instead of addressing the post that was made originally. I'm OK with that - or wouldn't have posted my name and my link. I've never claimed to be perfect in every way and don't hold a stone in my hand to throw at others that go against the consensus of scam or not - by saying not, when all others are likely to call everything a scam. If you want a real challenge - find me a single networking company that someone doesn't consider a scam. This would keep you busy until, let's see ....forever.

    @"Henry" - thank you for your reply - even though it's not relevant to the post about TVG. I'm not exactly sure what "welfare food" is that you mention as my customers receive the same products regardless of their method of payment. Consistency and higher grade of products are deserving to everyone equally -whether it be a little old lady on a fixed income that pays with "welfare" that she's entitled to after a lifetime of contributing to society - or the guy down the street that wants to impress his friends with colossal tiger prawns and steaks and prefers to pay cash.

    Also - I appreciate the mention of some of the domains I've purchased but there are 100's more that you can see at www.facebook.com/DomainsDevelopment if you'd like to question my ideas for developing those too. The ones you mention , a couple I let go and are expired, others I bought with development ideas, and the cannabis one is one that i bought to promote CDB extract products not those involving THC -had you bothered to actually research before spouting. I haven't had much time to promote because I'm more excited about the launching of TVG and am hopeful that it is the best long term decision. Will it bring long term relief and help millions while also providing an income source for families that could use the help? Guess we'll see - but am hopeful as it's certainly an ambitious goal. I understated your need to try to derail the tread and make the conversation about me instead of TVG if you have nothing more to say to support your claim that it is a scam - but suspect you put a greater value on your opinion to others here in your "every regular here knows" - but could be wrong. Squeaky wheel and all that.

    The most comical part of your reply "Henry" - and I appreciate the good laugh is your statement "your Internet footprints show me things". I picture someone so desperately starved for attention that they're up all night trying to gather information to post that when it comes down to it - those he researches really don't care - I know I don't and it's irrelevant to the tread about TVG. I'm realty not impressed with your footprint following since my domains are all publicly listed and some are for projects, others available for same if I don't have time to develop, and others I let go if I've moved on to other things. Again - it is unfortunate that you are unable to stay on topic about the thread and chose instead to try to attack the first person that disagrees. It reminds me of those crickets are are annoying and noisy from a distance - but when you walk by it's suddenly silent. In fact from now on - I'll address you as Cricket if you don't mind? If you have nothing better to do with your time, Cricket, you don't have to sneak around the outside of the house in the dark looking for footprints while tying to get a glimpse of what skeletons are in a closet - the front door is wide open - come on in a have a look around. If anyone has a question about anything I've ever done, said, or marketed - they don't have to "research" anything - and can simply message me and ask. If you'd like to know my history or any of the crazy things my friends and I did when I was young and what I or any of my friends do now - simply ask. If you want to look in the toilet to investigate before I flush just let me know. The last thing I'd like to say - and read this carefully "Henry" "Cricket" - is that it's ironic that someone would post in their signature about integrity while hiding in the shadows. Come on out into the light. Unless you are a complete coward or little girl in her parents basement plucking away and pointing fingers at others while hiding yourself. I posted my real name and a link to my profile for anyone to see - and failure for you to do the same will be undeniable proof and my suppositions confirmed that you must be a little anonymous coward that needs to stay hidden because she's scared she'll be found out. I hope this isn't the case as you seem to have a similar sarcastic sense of humor, and as you saw when you visited my FB page, I don't sweat the small stuff as life is too short - but guess we'll see in your next post.

    With that said - if anyone has something helpful to comment about the OP's topic - it would be nice to get this tread back on track - even though ranting about Cricket was a little fun pointing out the hypocrisy. Ok -Cricket can have his name back - Henry - just having a little fun with the tread. Thanks again guys - and have a great day.

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    Hello - Tim Judd Here - I'm new here as I was recently sent the link by a friend interested in TVG - so I thought I'd take a minute to reply. I realize that some people consider anything that involves networking or any form of promotion outside the traditional corporate ad spending and especially if those promoting are compensated for their efforts must be some type of scam so I won't waste time challenging the ignorance in their flawed logic.
    Has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with math.

    Logic: If it looks like a pyramid scam, is promoted like a pyramid scam, it is a pyramid scam and will collapse like a pyramid scam.

    Math: There are not enough people in the world for the garbage you are peddling to end in anything else than massive losses for 99% of participants.

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    One thing that I did want to mention while here is that although the program is based on Christian principle of helping others
    I was in line for coffee this weekend and the mother in front of me needed a penny to get back even change, I reached in my lint filled pocket and gave her one.

    What you are schlepping would involve me turning around and expecting the guy behind give me a nickel.
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    so you have no answer as to why you let known, proven scammers pitch this scam to others. Not surprising really.

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    Thanks for the opinion - however using the same logic and math - EVERY program is a pyramid scam and the companies that have lasted for decades and created incomes for many from the "garbage they're peddling" must be pyramid scams - but for some reason people keep using their products and services. I'm not trying to pitch anyone here on any program - but to offer my opinion of the program and the reason I joined for an alternative perspective. Trying to convince people to do something that they will find any excuse to fail at and that view EVERY program as a scam if it is promoted by networking with others is like trying to convince vegans to eat a pork chop - a waste of time. Affiliate programs are no different -some people pay for a service they use themselves but couldn't market the same service to any of the other 7 billion people on the planet to find a couple that would reduce what they pay for the referral or be in profit. It doesn't matter how many levels are involved - networking and affiliate programs aren't for everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    Has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with math.

    Logic: If it looks like a pyramid scam, is promoted like a pyramid scam, it is a pyramid scam and will collapse like a pyramid scam.

    Math: There are not enough people in the world for the garbage you are peddling to end in anything else than massive losses for 99% of participants.



    I was in line for coffee this weekend and the mother in front of me needed a penny to get back even change, I reached in my lint filled pocket and gave her one.

    What you are schlepping would involve me turning around and expecting the guy behind give me a nickel.

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    Thanks for the reply Whip - but again I don't know who who you are referring to as a "proven scammer" - or what they promoted or the criteria used to make the determination. As to why I 'let" others pitch anything - people have the right to pitch anything they want and others have the same right to question it or choose not to join them. I am only responsible for what I do - not for every other person on the planet. Why did you buy the cell phone you use - when there's a guy at the factory that beats his wife? Are you in support of domestic violence? How about a more direct comparison - It's no different than this site - Why do you allow scammers to here post here while hiding behind anonymous screen names? How many are actually promoting other programs while challenging the integrity of others? Just because these "known" people are familiar to you - I don't know everything about everyone else on the planet and my psychic parakeet has the day off. Did they promote publicly or "Anonymous, As are you all' ? If they're known here they at least have that much integrity to be known and held accountable as opposed to hiding in the dark and have hopefully changed their ways if they were doing something questionable previously.

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    Oh, please.

    You aren't doing yourself or the HYIP ponzi scammers you're defending any good with your cookie cutter, straight-out-of-the-scammers-handbook, strawman arguments

    At least try to come up with something original before you make yourself look more foolish than you already have
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    Wasn't trying to offend you Little with whatever you are secretly promoting and if you wrote a scammers handbook about your experience of scamming people and are now reformed as I don't know you from Adam either. I haven't read it - is it shown authored by a fake name you use here or another one you use in other forums? I must be new to online marketing and didn't get the memo that I must know everyone and care about what everyone else is doing. The strange thing is that I don't know my mechanics wife's shoe size but he did a great job repairing one of my vehicles today - so it looks like I don't need to know everything about everyone to get things accomplished. What a concept. BTW - You're not doing yourself any favors by defending cowardice and the eagerness to point fingers at others from inside a closet. Looks like it must be crowed in there. Anyway - I have to run - and to see if i can try and come up with an original thought - i think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalincome
    I have to run - and to see if i can try and come up with an original thought
    Yet another post in which you talk about everything else BUT True Vision Global
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    but again I don't know who who you are referring to as a "proven scammer"
    Then why are you here? You said you were allegedly told about this thread. The topic of the thread is this scam and the scammers promoting it. Why didn't you read the thread and research before commenting?

    whatever you are secretly promoting
    another typical scammer line.

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    Thanks for the replies. I was told about the thread - or more accurately sent a link from someone else that is the COO of another company and was looking at TVG as a way to help promote theirs. Prior to that I had never participated in this forum but in reading the post wanted to express my opinion and gave an honest evaluation only to find that those respond felt it more important to go on the attack instead of explaining what they thought made TVG a scam in their opinion. Also - with reference to "known" scammers invited a specif example of who it was referring to specifically and why they are considered a scammer here. The result was obviously comments and banter that had nothing to do with either. The question remains - what makes TVG a scam? I can call a fork a spoon - but doesn't make it true or easy to use for a bowl of soup.

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    Re: True Vision Global - using religion!

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    Thanks for the opinion - however using the same logic and math - EVERY program is a pyramid scam
    Afraid Not.

    A real business provides a service that stands alone with an owner(s), workers, and customers. MLM/GIFTING/ENDLESS RECRUITING is just one big money suck for the masses. Then you blame failure on work ethic rather than math. The bottom line is we don't all get to be owners anymore than we all get to be rock stars.

    Taco Bell may be a great business, put one on every corner of a town as MLM seeks to do and it suddenly becomes an unsustainable money game. Great for the franchise sellers, guaranteed losses for everyone else.


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    The question remains - what makes TVG a scam?
    A focus on recruiting recruiting and more recruiting. If it wasn't a scam they would hire a few qualified salespeople like real companies do.
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    As much as I love tacos - TVG is an online advertising platform and portal to promote whatever a person wants - church needs a roof, family down the road needs help, need volunteers - whatever. I looked at it from a membership perspective and asked myself if it had enough traffic would I pay the monthly fee for access to the traffic if there was no compensation plan involved - the same as those that join dating sites for their traffic. Sure - because I have domains that have been collecting e-dust all over the place and would like to develop a couple. Would others likely want to join for the same reason? - probably. Do i have an issue with my friend being compensated a percentage of what I pay to use for her son. or bills, etc while not costing me any more? - of course not. If others chose to market the same platform will they receive training about the features and option the same as "real companies" do? - sure. Will it help others outside of the program that have invested nothing and don't participate? absolutely. The only thing about the thing I would change to make it perfect would be to allow others to promote without also having a membership themselves - unless this is already now an option as well. Off to eat a taco cause that does sound good right about now.

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    Re: True Vision Global - using religion!

    Did a bit of catching up on this one.
    At the very least, its being promoted by dozen or more who only do scams. Most of them make a specialty of targeting "Christian" types.

    Regardless of this yokel going on and on and saying nothing, this will be a long thread with much grief in the end.

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