Thread: What would encourage you to buy a drink from MLM ?

Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

No auto$hit? Boy did we just limit our options. I guess it is back to the Crown Royal while we keep pondering our choices!

Soapboxmom

Nothing could encourage me as I like to think that I am to selective. And no crown royal, Make mine Chivas Regal 12 year old scotch. Smoooooooooth stuff.

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

Oh yeah....I would always buy that especially with no real medical or scientific proof, examination, explaination or reason. ROTFL!

Actually many studies around the world (for the ingredients that is not the product) and the product currently being studied by Arizona State and the Mayo Clinic.

Originally Posted by calvinandhobbes

It is my HONEST opinion that what you said was the equivalent of BLAH BLAH BLAH. I'm sorry you are just too stupid to understand anything so blatantly obvious.

Well if that were the case it would be more honest to say 'Everytime iamwil speaks all I hear is "Blah blah blah". But you didn't do that, you chose to specifically quote me, and then change my quotes. But at least now we know exactly where you are when it comes to integrity as you have not only created the line, but instead of clarifying...justified your actions.

Originally Posted by calvinandhobbes

I HONESTLY think you are a liar. You deny things you've said over and over.

Yes it is a pain trying to rebutt all the folks that continuously misquote me, and then claim some sort of satire.

Originally Posted by calvinandhobbes

I HONESTLY think you are a crook. You sell ridiculously priced products, hiding behind "God."

I don't hide behind G!d, I sit on his lap. We've had customers for ten years...that repurchase from us because they like our products, like our service, like our company and like our associates. At least one or more of those reasons plays into their regular purchase.

Originally Posted by calvinandhobbes

I HONESTLY think you are illiterate.

I can read, or do you think someone else is reading and posting for me. Or do you have another yet another C&H style definition for literacy?

Originally Posted by calvinandhobbes

I HONESTLY think you are a complete moron.

wow, not half a moron, not sometimes a moron, but a complete one. Should that bother me? I'm just wondering? Will that affect my paycheck, or how much my kids love me, or my mortgage interest? Exactly how does what you think affect my life? hmmmm Lets see you think I have a case of mild retardation leaving me to having the intellect of a 7-12 year old. How interesting again when we look up definitions of your words. Can't wait for them teen years myself, while I've got no interest in zits...the rest sounds pretty good.

Originally Posted by calvinandhobbes

You could figure out what the difference between a car and a carburetor is.

hmmmm, the former is the same as the latter but without the buretor? You seem to be a good buretor, you buret everything about me. If I didn't know better I'd be concerned about your intentions.

Originally Posted by calvinandhobbes

I HONESTLY think you fit right in with the stereotypical MLM crooks. Say anything to make a buck.

Perception is an interesting thing is it not? I'm just so glad those folks that actually know me, have a different take on me than folks like you who think they do.

Originally Posted by calvinandhobbes

Say hi to Jimmy and Tammy, Mr Swaggart, and the rest of the religious nutcases that use faith to scam people of their money.

I don't know them. Funny someone the other day asked me if I watched 700 club...and it only occurs to switch to another channel...all those religious televangilist pairings look similar though don't they?

Originally Posted by calvinandhobbes

I laugh at you and pity you. Constantly.

Now that is funny, when doing comedy on the street that is EXACTLY what increases the hat!

So enjoy the reparte.... love the support, thanx.

Actually many studies around the world (for the ingredients that is not the product) and the product currently being studied by Arizona State and the Mayo Clinic.

LINKS, please.
Thanks.

Originally Posted by Emet

LINKS, please.
Thanks.

Anti-Toxin activity

“Cactus (Opuntia ficus-indica) protects against oxidative damage induced by the mycotoxin zearalenone in Balb/C mice.” (Food Chem Toxicol. 2008 May;46(5):1817-24.)
“Opuntia ficus indica extract protects against chlorpyrifos-induced damage on mice liver.” (Food Chem Toxicol. 2008 Feb;46(2):797-802.)
“Opuntia ficus indica (L.) Mill. fruit juice protects liver from carbon tetrachloride-induced injury.” (Phytother Res. 2005 Sep;19(9):796-800.)

Anti-Inflammatory

“An anti-inflammatory principle from cactus.” (Fitoterapia. 2001 Mar;72(3):288-90)
“Antioxidant betalains from cactus pear (Opuntia ficus-indica) inhibit endothelial ICAM-1 expression.” (Gentile C, Tesoriere L, Allegra M, Livrea MA, D’Alessio P. Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2004 Dec;1028:481-6.)
“Effect of Opuntia ficus indica on symptoms of the alcohol hangover.” (Wiese J, McPherson S, Odden MC, Shlipak MG. Arch Intern Med. 2004 Jun 28;164(12):1334-40.)

Immune System Boost

“Betalains a betacyanin pigment purified from fruits of Opuntia ficus-indica induces apoptosis in human chronic myeloid leukemia Cell line-K562.” (Phytomedicine. 2007 Nov;14(11):739-46.)
“Antioxidant betalains from cactus pear (Opuntia ficus-indica) inhibit endothelial ICAM-1 expression.” (Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2004 Dec;1028:481-6.)
“Modulation of intracellular calcium concentrations and T cell activation by prickly pear polyphenols.” (Mol Cell Biochem. 2004 May;260(1-2):103-10.)

Brain Protection

“Inhibition of nitric oxide synthase expression in activated microglia and peroxynitrite scavenging activity by Opuntia ficus indica var. saboten.” (Phytother Res. 2006 Sep;20(9):742-7.)
“Interventions for protecting against or treating alcohol hangover: systematic review of randomised controlled trials.” BMJ. 2005 Dec 24;331(7531):1515-8.)
“Opuntia ficus-indica attenuates neuronal injury in in-vitro and in vivo models of cerebral ischemia.” (J Ethnopharmacol. 2006 Mar 8;104(1-2):257-62.)
“Effect of Opuntia ficus indica on symptoms of the alcohol hangover.” (Arch Intern Med. 2004 Jun 28;164(12):1334-40.)
“Neuroprotective effects of antioxidative flavonoids, quercetin, (+)-dihydroquercetin and quercetin 3-methyl ether, isolated from Opuntia ficus-indica var. saboten.” (Brain Res. 2003 Mar 7;965(1-2):130-6.)

Well, those are not links, they are simply articles. I will not be spending any time researching them, but I appreciate the effort.

As a trained scientist, I suspect I would easily be able to show that any of your articles does not translate into the substances being placed in some secret, proprietary drink in some unknown quantity and having any of the affects you listed.

Evidence-based medicine.

Why would anyone expect a trained scientist to spend any time researching? That is why they ask others to do their research for them.

There are many other links and many other studies should anyone care to research. And in another 18 months I'll be glad to post whatever Mayo clinic says about our actual product...until then happy customers is what we rely on.

Originally Posted by iamwil

Why would anyone expect a trained scientist to spend any time researching? That is why they ask others to do their research for them.

Perhaps I did not make my point clear, so let me try again:

Your articles do not translate into the substances being placed in some secret, proprietary drink in some unknown quantity and having any of the affects you listed.

That means that all of the claims the drink have made are misleading to say the least, and all out false to say the most.
(Of course, every claim usually has an asterisk and a disclaimer associated with it).

Maybe I should make myself clear. Until the research currently being done is conducted the past research on the main ingredient in the product is what we refer to, that and the actual results of folks that are currently using the products. Of course their testimonials are anecdotal, they are also being repeated and along the lines of the information included in the articles presented.

and yes of course there is a disclaimer....of course our disclaimer is quite unlike the one I have to sign when a physician gives my child a immunization shot. We don't require anyone to sign a document saying we won't sue in case of death or disability due to the product. Our disclaimer is if you don't get the results you expect we have a 60 day money back guarantee.

Wouldn't that be nice if those who sold NSAIDs, Immunizations, cortizone shots, etc. did the same?

Originally Posted by iamwil

Well if that were the case it would be more honest to say 'Everytime iamwil speaks all I hear is "Blah blah blah". But you didn't do that, you chose to specifically quote me, and then change my quotes. But at least now we know exactly where you are when it comes to integrity as you have not only created the line, but instead of clarifying...justified your actions.

Will, you are incapable of functioning in society. I pity you. Seriously. I pity everyone that has to interact with you. Yes, I "changed" your quote. I apologize it did it in a way that was so obviously meant to be humorous that only a kindergartner wouldn't understand what was happening. I'd try to keep my communications with you on a 1 year old level, but I don't really feel like typing "goo goo, ga ga. willy need to go pee pee" so you can keep up. It's not really my style. I tend to keep to more intellectual wit. Don't like it, don't let the door hit your diaper on the way out.

Yes it is a pain trying to rebutt all the folks that continuously misquote me, and then claim some sort of satire.

should we compare to you're misquoting of me? I change your drivel to "blah blah blah", you change my words from ~"the 100 mpg carburetor is a myth" (which it is), to "calvin says a car can't get 100 mpg."

Apples and rotten oranges. (mine are the apples, yours is the illiterate/outright lying, take your pick)

I don't hide behind G!d, I sit on his lap.

you blatantly hide behind him. you speak righteously about how you give 10% of your earnings to charity, that makes you good. no, it makes you trying to buy back the soul you sold long ago. any j@ckass can write a check, especially from ill gotten gains. Madoff was quite the donator, i hear.

you've proven you are scum. now you've just taken the extra step to cement your kindergarten understanding of the world. It's a pity you won't really understand any of this.

Originally Posted by calvinandhobbes

Will, you are incapable of functioning in society. I pity you. Seriously. I pity everyone that has to interact with you. Yes, I "changed" your quote. I apologize it did it in a way that was so obviously meant to be humorous that only a kindergartner wouldn't understand what was happening. I'd try to keep my communications with you on a 1 year old level, but I don't really feel like typing "goo goo, ga ga. willy need to go pee pee" so you can keep up. It's not really my style. I tend to keep to more intellectual wit. Don't like it, don't let the door hit your diaper on the way out.
should we compare to you're misquoting of me? I change your drivel to "blah blah blah", you change my words from ~"the 100 mpg carburetor is a myth" (which it is), to "calvin says a car can't get 100 mpg."

Apples and rotten oranges. (mine are the apples, yours is the illiterate/outright lying, take your pick)you blatantly hide behind him. you speak righteously about how you give 10% of your earnings to charity, that makes you good. no, it makes you trying to buy back the soul you sold long ago. any j@ckass can write a check, especially from ill gotten gains. Madoff was quite the donator, i hear.

you've proven you are scum. now you've just taken the extra step to cement your kindergarten understanding of the world. It's a pity you won't really understand any of this.

Thank you so much for the reply Cal. As often is the case, many posts say much more about the poster than the one they rant about.

Whenever you can discuss topics on an even keel and stick to topics at hand, I and others will be here.

You know, if what I am is an ignorant moron. And your posts are indicative of a reasoned intellectual attempting to prove a point. I'll just continue to be happy traipsing through life in my perceived bliss. I just have no interest getting so smart and knowing into the ways of the world that I'd be filled with such venom and disdain on a regular basis.

At this time I'd like to refer you to a discussion on this site about rules of attacking and demeaning posters rather than discussing topics at hand. It may be of interest to you should you wish to remain welcome here.

Or you could just buy some of my juice....I think there is a possibility it would make you feel better.

Originally Posted by iamwil

Thank you so much for the reply Cal. As often is the case, many posts say much more about the poster than the one they rant about.

you can think that. as usual, you're wrong.

Whenever you can discuss topics on an even keel and stick to topics at hand, I and others will be here.

this all started when i replied on topic, and you dishonestly ignored most of my stated "requirements" to say your product fit the list, when it most certainly didn't. Don't want your lies discussed, easy...stop lying.

You know, if what I am is an ignorant moron.

Irony is when someone poses an "if" about their intelligence without actually using a complete sentence.

At this time I'd like to refer you to a discussion on this site about rules of attacking and demeaning posters rather than discussing topics at hand. It may be of interest to you should you wish to remain welcome here.

Your posts demean you more than I ever could. I'd like to refer you to a certain list of 10 rules which mention lying and stealing as non-nos.

Or you could just buy some of my juice....I think there is a possibility it would make you feel better.

Hehehehehe. Um, no. I don't patronize scammers.

Originally Posted by calvinandhobbes

I'd like to refer you to a certain list of 10 rules which mention lying and stealing as non-nos.Hehehehehe.

Oh interesting, first you lambast me for being Christian and with the nerve to speak of G!d and my companies ten essentials then you refer me to abide by some other selected ten rules? Why do you give decalogue such credence and ignore a few hundred more? Me...I've just got a couple I focus on.

But that mirror is always a valuable tool for all of us.

Bottoms up, I'll have a drink on your behalf.

Is your magic catcus pear juice that cures livers in mice and collects residuals $30 a bottle?

Just wondering, as Zrii and Silver Water (this stuff cures everything as well) are.

Originally Posted by King

Is your magic catcus pear juice that cures livers in mice and collects residuals $30 a bottle?

Just wondering, as Zrii and Silver Water (this stuff cures everything as well) are.

Actually, it appears to cost $40 for members, $50 for non-members. That's for 32 oz.

Originally Posted by Emet

Actually, it appears to cost $40 for members, $50 for non-members. That's for 32 oz.

Alrighty then, to answer the question posed from the thread starter...

What would encourage me to buy a drink from MLM? Have it be cheaper than a night at the movies, a tank of gas, or a week's worth of breakfast and lunch for me, for starters.

Originally Posted by iamwil

and yes of course there is a disclaimer....of course our disclaimer is quite unlike the one I have to sign when a physician gives my child a immunization shot. We don't require anyone to sign a document saying we won't sue in case of death or disability due to the product. Our disclaimer is if you don't get the results you expect we have a 60 day money back guarantee.

Apples and oranges comparison.
1. The disclaimers on your products usually say "these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA". (Translation: we have no scientific evidence whatsoever)
2. It was my understanding that medical waivers often do not stand up in court. (n.b.: it's not a disclaimer, it's an attempt to "immunize" oneself from litigation)

So I posed the question to an attorney. His reply:

This is the sort of thing which is governed by state law, and state laws differ. I would think that the law in New York (where I practice) is the majority view: a waiver of the right to sue for future negligence/malpractice is void as against public policy. For one such New York case, see Ash v. New York University Dental Center, 164 A.D.2d 366 (1st Dept. 1990).

Originally Posted by iamwil

Oh interesting, first you lambast me for being Christian and with the nerve to speak of G!d and my companies ten essentials then you refer me to abide by some other selected ten rules?

surprise, more illiteracy. I've never lambasted you for being christian. I've lambasted you for talking about being christian, but not acting by its virtues. You are just being judged by your own standards (and failing miserably). talking about following a spiritual path is incredibly easy. anybody can say they are of a given religion. actually living the particular code is hard.

Originally Posted by King

Alrighty then, to answer the question posed from the thread starter...

What would encourage me to buy a drink from MLM? Have it be cheaper than a night at the movies, a tank of gas, or a week's worth of breakfast and lunch for me, for starters.

Its all that....at a months supply. Maintenance dose is only an ounce or two a day... so unless your are able to do any of those for a couple of bucks...we've got the juice for you!

Originally Posted by calvinandhobbes

surprise, more illiteracy. I've never lambasted you for being christian. I've lambasted you for talking about being christian, but not acting by its virtues. You are just being judged by your own standards (and failing miserably). talking about following a spiritual path is incredibly easy. anybody can say they are of a given religion. actually living the particular code is hard.

You are just enamoured with me aren't you?

I actually find following the path fairly easy, challenging, but easy. Only because the more you tread the path, the easier it all gets. And folks like you, constantly baiting and testing are helping me to practice. thanx.

Originally Posted by iamwil

You are just enamoured with me aren't you?

no, i just call out liars when i see them.

I actually find following the path fairly easy, challenging, but easy.

given you can't seem to post without telling the truth, I guess you know your "true" (irony of ironies) path is very different than your stated path.

But back to the topic at hand....your juice doesn't meet my entirely reasonable criteria, which is blatantly contrary to what you claimed.

Originally Posted by iamwil

Its all that....at a months supply. Maintenance dose is only an ounce or two a day... so unless your are able to do any of those for a couple of bucks...we've got the juice for you!

Hahah, no thanks. I prefer water.

Originally Posted by King

Is your magic catcus pear juice that cures livers in mice and collects residuals $30 a bottle?

Just wondering, as Zrii and Silver Water (this stuff cures everything as well) are.

Cactus pear juice? Does it taste better than Yoli?

Originally Posted by Live&Learn

Cactus pear juice? Does it taste better than Yoli?

I've never tried yoli... As a kid in Arizona we used to pick the prickly pears in our yard and make juice and jam. In my teen years living in Maryland I worked for a Sicilian, as the cactus are on every continent but Antarctica, he also grew up eating them...and would buy a case every couple of weeks. I've always loved the taste of fresh prickly pear.

We've added some other ingredients and for me I experience a little adaptogen aftertaste...but it is definitely sweet and tasty juice...many folks have problems with their kids guzzling down glasses of it. Ours is made in asceptic conditions so we can avoid killing the enzymes and betalins through pasteurization. (hence the increased expense and differing results from pasteurized products)

Originally Posted by iamwil

I've never tried yoli... As a kid in Arizona we used to pick the prickly pears in our yard and make juice and jam. In my teen years living in Maryland I worked for a Sicilian, as the cactus are on every continent but Antarctica, he also grew up eating them...and would buy a case every couple of weeks. I've always loved the taste of fresh prickly pear.

We've added some other ingredients and for me I experience a little adaptogen aftertaste...but it is definitely sweet and tasty juice...many folks have problems with their kids guzzling down glasses of it. Ours is made in asceptic conditions so we can avoid killing the enzymes and betalins through pasteurization. (hence the increased expense and differing results from pasteurized products)

I have a Russian Tortoise who I feed cactus. It's actually his favorite. I'll send him your way and you can give him the presentation, or whatever. He's cool, doesn't talk much though.

It may take a few years though because, well, he's a tortoise and it's a long walk.

Just tryin' to help a playa out, knowutimsayin?

Originally Posted by King

I have a Russian Tortoise who I feed cactus. It's actually his favorite. I'll send him your way and you can give him the presentation, or whatever. He's cool, doesn't talk much though.

It may take a few years though because, well, he's a tortoise and it's a long walk.

Just tryin' to help a playa out, knowutimsayin?

thanx...I need the practice. I do very few presentations. Mostly its over the phone...and I now realize I am missing the whole tortoise market....as I hang up before they get to the phone!

And I suppose I should speak slower when I leave a message?

Originally Posted by iamwil

thanx...I need the practice. I do very few presentations. Mostly its over the phone...and I now realize I am missing the whole tortoise market....as I hang up before they get to the phone!

And I suppose I should speak slower when I leave a message?

He would probably prefer to see the product demonstration rather than just the sales pitch phone conversation. He'd actually like to see the product and test it out before he's given the sales pitch of opportunity via the phone.

I dunno, he's finnicky like that.