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    Uh Len, I am not the one who constantly brags about his 155 IQ and was in MENSA like you do. I think it is only a fair assumption to make that a person who has that high of an IQ would know how to spell Pathetic and not make your grammatical mistake. But for you to claim that was a typo, that was one heck of a typo. Embellish much?

    But I see you are still ducking listing what lies I told about you. You are starting to remind me of a couple of other posters who claimed I had either committed a cardinal sin or sins, but would never reveal to me what it was or they were, or another who said I used a whole list of fake names and was at least 15 different posters posting here at RS and was the owner. And again no proof was ever presented, just the accusations. So you are in good company.

    To be honest, I really could care less about what you do or don't do, what you claim or don't claim or what you defend as a legitimate MLM when they are a Ponzi or scam. We just help the authorities shut them down.

    But I do want to correct something that I said about the link to the video about your discussing Empower Network was in this thread and it wasn't. When I find the time I will find it and post the link here so all can listen to what you had to say about Empower Network.
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    The word "lying" has been used a lot in this thread.

    From the "Ooops! I wish I hadn't said that" file....

    In his book Inside Network Marketing, published May 15, 2000, Lenny states the following:

    "I can no longer in good conscience support or assist people who are about to add more to the supply of MLM opportunities in an industry where the supply is already far outstripping the demand."

    "Two thousand people are laid off from their jobs each day in this country. Even if that number were to double, and every single one of them were to join one of these four hundred new MLM companies, every single day of the year, we would still need to find another 140,000 new distributors just to keep these companies in business..."

    "When I broached the subject of more tangible solutions in MarketWave, I suggested there be some kind of regulation of the number of MLM companies. Or at least some strenuous screening process...."
    However, on Sep 14, 2004, four years later, we find Lenny on mlm.com announcing his new startup.

    We are still hopeful that October 1st will be our launch date.... If anyone is NOT currently committed to an MLM program and would like to be added to an e-mail update list, please contact me privately at.... There are plenty of other good opportunities out there besides my company, and if you feel you're already in one, by all means stay focused!

    Len Clements
    So, in 2000 we find Lenny not able to, in good conscience, willing to support or assist people who are about to add more to the supply of MLM opportunities because the supply is already far outstripping the demand. However, four years later we find him doing that just that.

    Watching him stick handling and back peddling his way out of that corner when called on it over on mlm.com was entertaining to say the least!

    Disclaimer: No, I didn't read "Inside Network Marketing" nor do I have a copy of it. Tony Rush did though, and I was quoting from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    Uh Len, I am not the one who constantly brags about his 155 IQ and was in MENSA like you do. I think it is only a fair assumption to make that a person who has that high of an IQ would know how to spell Pathetic and not make your grammatical mistake. But for you to claim that was a typo, that was one heck of a typo. Embellish much?

    But I see you are still ducking listing what lies I told about you.
    Oh, okay. I'll give you just one here. Besides, after all the effort Doc Brian has put into getting me to feed him over the last few days, both here and on Scam.com, he deserves a morsel. So... how about the one you just told? I have touted my Mensa membership in ONE place – the "Association Memberships" section of my resume (where I cite my qualifying IQ parenthetically). That's it, Lynn. That ONE place. Considering you just claimed I "constantly brag" about it, surely you can provide ONE example. Now, considering you have a whole team of fellow Len-trashers here, who all probably didn't even finish this sentence before madly beginning their all day search through all the archived threads of every message board I've ever posted within, surely one of them can find just ONE example. But, of course, what they'll find instead is that THEY are the ones who obsessively mention my Mensa membership and IQ, not me. But they've done it so much, and for so long, I do see how you might be confused. So, I will concede this may not be an outright lie. You might just be sincerely ignorant of the truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    You are starting to remind me of a couple of other posters who claimed I had either committed a cardinal sin or sins, but would never reveal to me what it was or they were, or another who said I used a whole list of fake names and was at least 15 different posters posting here at RS and was the owner. And again no proof was ever presented, just the accusations. So you are in good company.
    Yes, I'm sure there are others you've falsely accused who know not to try to defend themselves in this kind of forum, where their accuser is afforded so many safety nets and exist routs to save them when they get their ass utterly kicked. Like, simply ignoring all the points that make them look fooling, and throwing up non-sequitur smoke screens to divert the conversation away from their argument they are so badly losing. Kind of like... what you're doing right now!

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    To be honest, I really could care less about what you do or don't do, what you claim or don't claim or what you defend as a legitimate MLM when they are a Ponzi or scam. We just help the authorities shut them down.
    Yes, yes, I know. I'm "insignificant", I'm "not relevant", and no one "could care less" about me, blah, blah, blah. All while you create mile long threads about me that stay active for literally years, and dredge up misquoted or out-of-context things I've said in other forums that must have taken hours of searching – because you all "could care less about" what I do or don't do. I've heard this, ironically, a thousand times. And usually at right about the point of the exchange where whoever I'm talking to is completely out of ways to defend their position. That's when they suddenly stop caring about me.

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    But I do want to correct something that I said about the link to the video about your discussing Empower Network was in this thread and it wasn't. When I find the time I will find it and post the link here so all can listen to what you had to say about Empower Network.
    You do that. In the mean time, what about my challenge? I think I've conceded to every objection you've raised, so how about Sunday at noon, March 22nd? And, in the event you're now going to be devoutly religious, alternatively Monday, March 23rd at 5:30 pm PST (we'll have a larger audience if it's after work hours). In the off chance you have a phycological condition that prevents you from speaking on days that begin with "M", then let's go for Tuesday, the 24th. Which ever date works for you, just let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len Clements View Post
    <snip Mensa diatribe>

    Yes, I'm sure there are others you've falsely accused who know not to try to defend themselves in this kind of forum, where their accuser is afforded so many safety nets and exist routs to save them when they get their ass utterly kicked. Like, simply ignoring all the points that make them look fooling, and throwing up non-sequitur smoke screens to divert the conversation away from their argument they are so badly losing. Kind of like... what you're doing right now!

    Yes, yes, I know. I'm "insignificant", I'm "not relevant", and no one "could care less" about me, blah, blah, blah. All while you create mile long threads about me that stay active for literally years, and dredge up misquoted or out-of-context things I've said in other forums that must have taken hours of searching – because you all "could care less about" what I do or don't do. I've heard this, ironically, a thousand times. And usually at right about the point of the exchange where whoever I'm talking to is completely out of ways to defend their position. That's when they suddenly stop caring about me.
    I will ask some easy questions that Lenny might be kind enough to answer for us.

    1. Did Lenny actually pay for his Mensa membership so that he is current?

    2. We don't edit posts here except for profanity, false statements of fact or posting of clearly private information, so what "safety nets and exist routs" is Lenny referring to?

    3. Why does Lenny have a problem with exhaustive research?

    4. How does Lenny define losing a debate?

    5. Again, what has Lenny done in Yoli in the past say 4 years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Len Clements View Post
    Oh, okay. I'll give you just one here. Besides, after all the effort Doc Brian has put into getting me to feed him over the last few days, both here and on Scam.com, he deserves a morsel. So... how about the one you just told? I have touted my Mensa membership in ONE place – the "Association Memberships" section of my resume (where I cite my qualifying IQ parenthetically). That's it, Lynn. That ONE place. Considering you just claimed I "constantly brag" about it, surely you can provide ONE example. Now, considering you have a whole team of fellow Len-trashers here, who all probably didn't even finish this sentence before madly beginning their all day search through all the archived threads of every message board I've ever posted within, surely one of them can find just ONE example. But, of course, what they'll find instead is that THEY are the ones who obsessively mention my Mensa membership and IQ, not me. But they've done it so much, and for so long, I do see how you might be confused. So, I will concede this may not be an outright lie. You might just be sincerely ignorant of the truth.
    Does this count as the second time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len Clements View Post
    In the off chance you have a phycological condition that prevents you from speaking on days that begin with "M", then let's go for Tuesday, the 24th. Which ever date works for you, just let me know.
    Just curious, but what the **** does the study of algae have to do with his ability to speak on days that begin with "M"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Bunkum View Post
    Just curious, but what the **** does the study of algae have to do with his ability to speak on days that begin with "M"?
    Obviously our "mensaboy" has a substandard grasp of gramar, speling and word meanings! Or...what is more likely, in his haste to try to dazzle everybody with the big words in his vocabulary, he overlooks definitions!
    It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!

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    Yes, I'm sure there are others you've falsely accused who know not to try to defend themselves in this kind of forum, where their accuser is afforded so many safety nets and exist routs to save them when they get their ass utterly kicked. Like, simply ignoring all the points that make them look fooling, and throwing up non-sequitur smoke screens to divert the conversation away from their argument they are so badly losing. Kind of like... what you're doing right now!
    seems then you could post them on your own site for all to see. you're just full of excuses for not getting your way. shocking I say!
    the irony is strong in this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len Clements View Post
    I have touted my Mensa membership in ONE place – the "Association Memberships" section of my resume (where I cite my qualifying IQ parenthetically).
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    James Randi Educational Foundation = JREF Forum now known as International Skeptics.com = free to join public forum
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    Say, Lenny, has Stephen Hawkings ever met you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post


    James Randi Educational Foundation = JREF Forum now known as International Skeptics.com = free to join public forum
    International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - "Amega Wand" Chrystal/Mineral healing scam

    and from there on the hilarity ensues:

    "Amega Wand" Chrystal/Mineral healing scam - Page 7 - International Skeptics Forum

    damn that thread still makes me laugh.

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    I ran across this gem on that thread

    Quote Originally Posted by MWave View Post
    Jesus, what a bunch of pricks. I came in here respectfully asking for help, and tried to answer what ever concerns you all had. I thought I was among some like minded skeptics who would be keen on helping me expose a scam. I really should have looked around a little before posting here. Turns out this board is as full of cowardly trolls who get off on trashing people, completely unprovoked, as scam.com and quatloos!

    You can have your little mud puddle back. I've got better things, and better people, to deal with.

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    Lynn "EagleOne" Edgington posted a number of completely unprovoked personal attacks on me, based on assertions that are completely fabricated and untrue. I challenged him to debate these assertions on a live, one-on-one conference call, and presented my case for using such a forum, as opposed to this one. He objected, and I responded. I addressed all of his concerns, reenforced my case for why this is a lousy forum for debate, and why a live conversation is superior. I was pretty confident in my argument, and strongly felt it was irrefutable. But then…

    Doc Brian dropped a bomb shell on me. He pointed out that among the well over 1,000 words I typed, in one of those words I had… (if you're faint of heart, you may want to skip the rest of this sentence)… I had left out not one, but two letters, and I even went so far as to substitute one of those letters, an "h", with an "s"!

    And then, after already having my entire case so completely destroyed, ribshaw quoted where I said I had only touted my Mensa membership in "one" place, that being the "Association Memberships" section of my resume, which can be found under the "About Len" menu option on my website (in response to Edgington's claim that I "constantly brag" about it). But then… ribshaw linked to my Facebook page. With great trepidation (laid-back, that means feeling fear and agitation), I clicked on it to find, to my horror, that my Mensa membership was, in fact, mentioned under the "About" menu option of my personal Facebook page – not "About Len", just "About" – and the title of the page it linked to was "About Len Clements". On my website it just says, "About Len", but on my Facebook page it includes my last name. And, if I wasn't embarrassed enough, the section where I list my Mensa membership (with no mention of my IQ, but still…) is not called "Association Memberships", it's titled… [shudder]… "Affiliations". I couldn't be more ashamed.

    And then, exactly an hour later, right underneath ribshaw's post, littleroundman posted a screen shot of the exact same thing! I'm guessing he thought there might be readers of this board who wouldn't know how to click on a link. What a thoughtful guy.

    Oh, but our littleroundman wasn't done. He then displayed a screen shot showing the "James Randi Educational Foundation" as another one of my claimed "Affiliations", and then nuked me by revealing that the "JREF Forum" was now known as "International Skeptics.com" and was a free public forum. At this point I don't know why I'm even trying to come back from such a brilliant and devastating smack-down like the one littleman just put on me, but technically the "James Randi Educational Foundation" is a skeptics organization that does accept memberships, and the JREF forum is just the organization's message board. I know I'm just grasping for straws here, but what else can I do? These guys just completely devastated my entire argument as to why Edgington should debate the points he personally attacked me on in a live forum.

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    But seriously, folks…

    You guys know I'm trying to ignore all the anonymous trolls and engage only Lynn. But like any good troll you need me to feed you so you have more material to consume, then puke back up onto this board – and you know if you make enough really stupid accusations I won't be able to resist, right? I mean, come on… littleman… did you really think that the JREF message board was the "James Randi Educational Foundation"???

    Okay, you win. Bon appetit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soapboxmom View Post
    I will ask some easy questions that Lenny might be kind enough to answer for us.

    1. Did Lenny actually pay for his Mensa membership so that he is current?

    2. We don't edit posts here except for profanity, false statements of fact or posting of clearly private information, so what "safety nets and exist routs" is Lenny referring to?

    3. Why does Lenny have a problem with exhaustive research?

    4. How does Lenny define losing a debate?

    5. Again, what has Lenny done in Yoli in the past say 4 years?
    I am really going to pout now. Lenny just won't answer me and dazzle me with his brilliant work as a pimp for Yoli.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soapboxmom View Post
    I am really going to pout now. Lenny just won't answer me and dazzle me with his brilliant work as a pimp for Yoli.
    Shhhhhh........he's busy trying to ignore himself:

    I'm trying to ignore all the anonymous trolls and engage only Lynn.

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    Actually, Lenny,

    the reason I keep on your case has very little to do with you personally, but everything to do with that section of the MLM industry which think it's OK to overhype, overstate, deliberately deceive, hide behind weasel words, employ spin doctor tactics and try to baffle victims potential customers with bul******

    It's the world in which you live and you've become so enmeshed in it and its' tactics, you don't even see it any more, but, the more you stick your head up on forums such as REALSCAM.com Quatloos, International Skeptics / JREF and Scam.com and have it repeatedly kicked, the greater the number of readers who get to see and understand exactly with what they are dealing when confronted by that smiling face offering to show them the latest and greatest "opportunity"
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    So let me get this straight. According to you I made an "unprovoked personal attack against you." Seriously? You have no clue what a personal attack is, but you do have a fragile ego if you thought my comments were a personal attack. Would you like for me to demonstrate what a real personal attack looks like?

    Still ducking answering what statements were untrue and fabricated. As for your wanting to have a conference call to debate, that is your standard response. Tried it with Patrick and Entertained, and according to you over 100 others have refused as well. So I am in good company. You might want to ask yourself why, and before you try to claim it is because we are afraid to debate you, think again. But then you seem to be the only one who hasn't figured it out.

    So since you can't say what I said was untrue and fabricated here, then obviously they weren't untrue or fabricated. So rant all you want, not going to waste any more time talking about this unless you post what I said that was untrue and fabricated.
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    And Lenny sayeth unto them:

    "Take us seriously, for we are professionals"

    But, they could not.

    Instead, they laughed and pointed and poured scorn and derision upon them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post

    And Lenny sayeth unto them:

    "Take us seriously, for we are professionals"

    Surely you're not suggesting that Yoli Alkelete wasn't worthy of "Product of the Year" honors?

    Why, the eminent Dr. Richard Anderson himself endorses the product...

    “Alkalete is the most impactful product I’ve seen in over thirty years as a naturopath and after working with thousands of patients. The results are fast and pronounced for most people who try it.”

    -Dr. Richard Anderson, Naturopath, Author of Cleanse & Purify Thyself
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    Brain Teasers

    Q. Why would a self-proclaimed expert on "legitimate" MLMs promote Yoli, Amega Wand, and Empower Network?

    A. Because there aren't any legitimate MLMs



    Q. Why would a self-proclaimed guru on "legitimate" MLMs promote Global Verge, Lyoness, and (I can't be bothered going to his his site to list the countless others)?

    A. Because there aren't any legitimate MLMs



    Q. What's the difference between legitimate MLM and product based pyramid scheme?

    A. Nothing. They all use the same system.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Char View Post
    Brain Teasers

    Q. What's the difference between legitimate MLM and product based pyramid scheme?

    A. Nothing. They all use the same system.

    Well, basically legitimate MLMs have retail customers - in theory.

    Product based pyramid schemes don't - in reality. All the product is consumed within the pyramid.

    Of course "legitimate" MLMs claim they have lots of happy customers buying the products each month because they enjoy the products.

    Only thing is, when asked to provide documentation to prove that is true, they can't.

    Which brings me to a simple question I'd like to ask Lenny - if he was talking to me.

    Q: "Who is the #1 retailer in Yoli? Not the guy or gal with the biggest downline - the guy or gal without one. The person who simply has a retail business selling the products each month to an eager buying audience?

    If, as you claim, there are lots of customers that are in it for the products and not the opportunity, then surely you should be able to identify that individual.

    N'est-ce pas?"


    Oh, and thanks for the chuckles, Char!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len Clements View Post
    And then, after already having my entire case so completely destroyed, ribshaw quoted where I said I had only touted my Mensa membership in "one" place, that being the "Association Memberships" section of my resume, which can be found under the "About Len" menu option on my website (in response to Edgington's claim that I "constantly brag" about it). But then… ribshaw linked to my Facebook page. With great trepidation (laid-back, that means feeling fear and agitation), I clicked on it to find, to my horror, that my Mensa membership was, in fact, mentioned under the "About" menu option of my personal Facebook page – not "About Len", just "About" – and the title of the page it linked to was "About Len Clements". On my website it just says, "About Len", but on my Facebook page it includes my last name. And, if I wasn't embarrassed enough, the section where I list my Mensa membership (with no mention of my IQ, but still…) is not called "Association Memberships", it's titled… [shudder]… "Affiliations". I couldn't be more ashamed.
    I honestly don't know who Len Clements is so I started looking around the web and it seems as though this Mensa Membership is mentioned by Len everywhere he seems to post. He mentions it three times in this one paragraph. That that count as touting it?

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