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    Why Not Start Your Own MLM?

    I was reading over on FastLane about this guy that met up with the owner of a MLM company. The conversation went something like this:

    Met the owner of a successful MLM recently. this guy came in a black Rolls Royce Phantom with a license plate that said "Easymoni" (which made no sense to me until I found out he's in the MLM game...marketing expense never looked so luxurious )

    The second I heard that, I said to him "You know what...your the man. Why? Because you didn't take part it in one.. your started your own. Whole nother game your in."

    Guy looks at me for a second, clear that he'd never heard anyone actually say that to him, leans in, smiles and quietly says "....I want to sit on the throne, not help other guys lift it"
    Makes perfect sense to me. If you check, the majority of the people that run MLMs were distributors at one time - then got smart. Doesn't it make sense, really, if you're going to put all the effort into building a downline, that it would make more sense to start your own MLM?

    Robert Ford, a former top earning Herbalife Distributor, recounts what it took to reach President Team level:

    This is what I did to get my phone to ring off the hook:
    15 classified ads per week
    25 pole signs per week
    1,000 business cards per day, 6 days a week (I wore out two pair of Nike running shoes)

    ... for three straight years

    Was it easy to do? Absolutely not.

    Did it work in building a network marketing business at that time? Absolutely yes.
    Then he saw the light and realized it was all a waste of time. (Why A Herbalife President Team Member Resigned His Six-Figure Income)

    Which begs the question, why don't more supposedly intelligent folks wake up to the fact that it's better to sit on the throne rather than under it? We keep talking about Lenny Clements, so let's use him as an example. Here's a guy that's been in MLM since puberty, researched the industry, jumped around with at least a half a dozen companies, knows comp plans inside out, is a court certified witness, MENSA alumni, yet he's still hacking away peddling YOLI blast caps or whatever it is they're hawking these days.

    Don't you think if the guy (or a lot of other MLM distributors for that matter) was half as smart as he claims to be, that he would have figured out by now that it might be better to start your own company? Geez, all you have to do is find a supplier of some cheap protein powder, get some computer geek to work up a software program to keep track of your comp plan, then make up some bullshit about how good the product is and all the ailments it cures. You don't have to hire anyone - they only get paid once they sell the stuff, so you're home free.

    Dunno, but it makes perfect sense to me that if you're going to play the MLM game that it's better to be the dealer than the player.

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    Re: Why Not Start Your Own MLM?

    Len Clements has left his Yoli crap up and lists it on LinkedIn but....

    GoYoli

    The enroller's site you are trying to visit is not active at this time.
    I guess our new MLM could be his next in the lists of jump and dumps!!!

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    Re: Why Not Start Your Own MLM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soapboxmom View Post
    Len Clements has left his Yoli crap up and lists it on LinkedIn but....

    GoYoli
    Oh, really?

    Must be a computer glitch or the site is down for maintenance.

    Whatever happened to...

    NOTICE!

    THIS SITE WAS THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF THE FREESTYLES TEAM WEBSITE BEFORE
    A NEWER SITE WAS DEVELOPED.

    THE ONLY REASON I'M LEAVING THIS SITE UP IS BECAUSE A SMALL BUT OBSESSIVE
    CLIQUE OF ANONYMOUS INTERNET TROLLS, WHO CLAIMED AFTER YOLI'S LAUNCH IN
    NOVEMBER OF 2009 THAT WE "WOULDN'R LAST 6 MONTHS", HAVE EXPLOITED THIS SITE'S
    LACK OF DEVELOPMENT IN A DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO SUGGEST I AM NO LONGER ACTIVE
    IN YOLI DUE TO ITS INEVITABLE DEMISE.

    THEY ARE WRONG.

    I AM STILL ACTIVE IN YOLI AND 100% COMMITTED TO IT.

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    Re: Why Not Start Your Own MLM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Bunkum View Post
    Oh, really?

    Must be a computer glitch or the site is down for maintenance.

    Whatever happened to...
    Bluster!!!

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    Re: Why Not Start Your Own MLM?

    Len Clements ‏@mwave1 1:18 PM - 30 Jan 2015

    MLM Power companies simply can't succeed w/o big signup fees that pay big sign up bonuses & more red flags than a sold out Cardinals game.
    Len Clements @mwave1 Jan 30

    (Sorry I have a whole garage full of idioms I can't return)
    Probably has a garage full of Yoli he can't return either.

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    Re: Why Not Start Your Own MLM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Bunkum View Post
    Dunno, but it makes perfect sense to me that if you're going to play the MLM game that it's better to be the dealer than the player.[/COLOR]
    Doc IF someone wanted to go this route I would be inclined to agree.

    Although it may be muck less aggravating to go the Timothy Ferris route in http://www.amazon.com/4-Hour-Workwee...houre+workweek and just get a factory to formulate a bottle of brain pills, slap a on label and spam the web. I'm certain no one has tried that yet.

    I don't know about sustainability as all these companies seem to be selling the same crap from one of a handful of manufacturers. For a hearty "ramp and run" it might just be the ticket to bank a few million. And if they go lose a bunch of cash, well that was virtually inevitable as a distributor.


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    Lenny would have the additional expense of having to hire someone to write all his marketing material. otherwise he would bore any potential members to death with his unnecessarily complex and detailed explanations of why people should buy his product or join his "opportunity"

    One only has to look at his in depth analysis of the Amega Wand to see what a mashup Lenny is capable of making of what should be simple and straightforward subjects.
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    Re: Why Not Start Your Own MLM?

    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post

    Kevin Thompson has a few words of wisdom for would be MLM Kingpins. Although knowing where his bread is buttered, he might just be trying to steal a distributor's dreams.

    ================================================== ===========
    For this unfamiliar with Mr. Thompson, there was a time when Mr. Thompson made an effort to help clean-up the MLM industry in his home state of Tennessee. Specifically, Mr. Thompson sponsored a Bill in the Tennessee legislature designed to codify the difference between a legitimate MLM and a pyramid scheme or endless chain.

    Any guesses what that Bill said?

    The answer can be found here on Mr. Thompson's blog. It makes for fascinating reading. Tennessee House Bill 2843.

    I asked Mr. Thompson once whatever happened to the bill he sponsored. His response - the DSA killed it. It seems the MLM cabal sunk their teeth into Mr. Thompson good and hard to reel him and his common sense in. Killing the goose that lays the golden eggs makes you enemies with the DSA very quickly. This young idealist learned a valuable lesson and learned it the hard way.

    Years later, Mr. Thompson seems to have changed his tune. Career risk and the need to keep one's income alive will have a tendency to do that. Like many in the upline, Mr. Thompson's livelihood depends upon the proliferation of deceptive marketing schemes.


    Does MLM Attorney Kevin Thompson Have Amnesia?
    I think you're right, ribshaw.

    Knowing where his bread is buttered, he might just be trying to discourage competition in the industry.

    After all, there are only so many marks, why water down that pool?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soapboxmom View Post
    Len Clements has left his Yoli crap up and lists it on LinkedIn but....

    GoYoli

    I guess our new MLM could be his next in the lists of jump and dumps!!!
    Wow. It's been exactly one year to the day that you last posted this lie.

    Clements jumps ship yet AGAIN

    I don't know if this is deceit, gross incompetence, or onset senility, but whichever, I really do appreciate the opportunity to expose it.

    See you next year

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    The sad thing is, Lenny, you think you're doing yourself and your cause some sort of good with your childish drive by posts.

    In reality, your circle of influence grows smaller every time you stick your head up.

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    I must admit it is a whole lot easier to poke fun at Lenny Clements these days.

    Lenny went a long way to destroying any credibility he may have had by publishing this (not so) little piece of nonsense and then defending himself rather viciously when it was pointed out the stupidity of even discussing such a blatantly obvious fraud.

    All any of his many critics have to do now is laugh and point at this:



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    Re: Why Not Start Your Own MLM?

    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    The sad thing is, Lenny, you think you're doing yourself and your cause some sort of good with your childish drive by posts.

    In reality, your circle of influence grows smaller every time you stick your head up.
    You are a tiny, insignificant little coward. That's why you have to hide behind an anonymous screen name, and admin garbage dumps like this one so you can feel some small, pathetic, delusional sense of power by freely smearing people and then blocking their responses when they make you look stupid.

    Surely you must know that this site has a horrible reputation, and is considered little more than a cesspool for trolls to bath in. It, like you, has zero credibility.

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    Re: Why Not Start Your Own MLM?

    So, can we take it the anger management counselling hasn't made any difference, Lenny ???
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    As for anyone here blocking your posts - get over yourself.

    Why would anyone want to prevent readers from seeing your pearls of wisdom ??

    It's a security feature in the forum software.

    Any posts from new members with under five posts and which include a URL are automatically placed in a queue for moderation to prevent drive by spammers
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    Re: Why Not Start Your Own MLM?

    Say, Lenny, did you learn to back up your files yet?

    I was saddened to learn someone hacked your MarketWave website, leaving it in a... "zombie-like state both blind, and with no ability to communicate, alive but in a semi-comatose state, awaiting a SQL specialist to perform a transplant. And then, the plastic surgeons well, to do the best they can do".

    And no, you can't hang that one on Bunky - I didn't have anything to do with it.

    Honest injun!

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    Re: Why Not Start Your Own MLM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Len Clements View Post
    Wow. It's been exactly one year to the day that you last posted this lie.

    Clements jumps ship yet AGAIN

    I don't know if this is deceit, gross incompetence, or onset senility, but whichever, I really do appreciate the opportunity to expose it.

    See you next year
    Well, lookie who dropped in. If you are in fact still pimping Yoli the lowly you sure have kept it a ginormous secret. The current websites, phone calls and all the accompanying crapola are sure hard to find on Google. Why is that Lenny? Are you not getting invitations to the big Yoli shindigs? Are the top of pyramid promoters not all buddy buddy with you, muffin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len Clements View Post
    Surely you must know that this site has a horrible reputation,
    With whom ???

    Lenny Clements supporters ??

    As I type this post, there are currently 872 visitors to the forum.

    That's a heck of a lot of people here to see just how little credibility we have.

    Remind me, Lenny, was it you or your boy Doyle who made the bold prediction the forum would never see 100 members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len Clements View Post
    You are a tiny, insignificant little coward. That's why you have to hide behind an anonymous screen name, and admin garbage dumps like this one so you can feel some small, pathetic, delusional sense of power by freely smearing people and then blocking their responses when they make you look stupid.

    Surely you must know that this site has a horrible reputation, and is considered little more than a cesspool for trolls to bath in. It, like you, has zero credibility.
    and yet here you are having to post here. And since we've never met you.......you're anonymous also. You are just a screen name and that absolutely kills you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    As for anyone here blocking your posts - get over yourself.

    Why would anyone want to prevent readers from seeing your pearls of wisdom ??

    It's a security feature in the forum software.

    Any posts from new members with under five posts and which include a URL are automatically placed in a queue for moderation to prevent drive by spammers
    it should be pointed out he knows this after begging for an admin position and being granted it to censor people at scam.com. A hypocrite in mlm? shocking I say.

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    Re: Why Not Start Your Own MLM?

    Andy Bowdoin = not anonymous

    Bernie Madoff = not anonymous

    Paul Burks = not anonymous

    Kristy Johnson = not anonymous

    Troy Barnes = not anonymous

    Your point being ???
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    we should be careful I suppose......ole clem could wave his magic amega wand and make this whole place disappear.

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    Re: Why Not Start Your Own MLM?

    Quote Originally Posted by Len Clements View Post
    That's why you have to hide behind an anonymous screen name


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    Re: Why Not Start Your Own MLM?

    There's MLM, then there's PBPS (product-based pyramid scheme).

    The average Joe, or even a seasoned "veteran" of Network Marketing can't tell them apart. And when you "start a new MLM", it's "monkey see, monkey do". Network marketers clone their previous company. Heck, sometimes they clone themselves.

    Heard that YTB may be back as Surge365.

    Spurlock had rebooted his own scheme so many times... he cloned himself.

    But as the Bible tells us, you don't get grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles.

    If they cloned a pyramid scheme, they get a pyramid scheme.

    If they cloned a PBPS, then they'll get a PBPS.

    But even if they cloned a MLM, it can morph into a PBPS if the management let it devolve, and let the "leaders" use cult tactics on the sheeple and turned a blind eye.
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    Re: Why Not Start Your Own MLM?

    After pages of digging on Google, I finally found Lenny's Yoli page. It is buried so far down in the search results for his name that one must google yolidotcom with his name to find it. His page obviously gets very little traffic.

    My Story





    Len Clements

    I am one of the original founding independent distributors for Yoli and my downline organization's sales volume currently ranks among the highest in the company. You can learn more about me and my 24+ year long MLM adventure by visiting InsideNM.com. Thanks for considering working with me in Yoli.
    Notice he admits his downline is selling, but not necessarily he himself. Of the very few pages belonging to the Freestyles Team the Freestyles Team pre-launch crap page by Clements is still up. That team has no recent (2011 or after) internet presence at all.

    ONLINE ENROLLMENT INSTRUCTIONS -

    When you enroll into Yoli you will receive a welcome email with your ID# and information to access your YoliOffice. Send your prospects to the link noted below and have them enter your ID#. Your prospects will complete the online form and be placed using the placement preferences you set up in your YoliOffice.
    https://nettrax.myvoffice.com/yoli/A...tion/Apply.cfm
    You can also enroll a new prospect directly from your back-office using the Distributor Enrollment - Binary Tree View. You will get a view of your organization from a graphical perspective. Click on one of the grey circles under someone in your organization and an online application will will pop-up. Your new recruit will be placed/enrolled right there in that spot.
    NOTE: You'll notice there are only two (2) options for initial product purchases. First there's a VIP Builder Pack Bulk Order Discount Package for $1,118.64 (1,000 CV) which includes specified quantities of YOLI TRUTH bottles and blast caps. The second option is the regular VIP Order Package for $239.66 (200 CV) which also includes specified quantities of YOLI TRUTH bottles and blast caps. You also have only one autoship commitment level. However, this autoship can be changed anytime after launch up to seven days before shipment. If you would like to come in at a lower commitment level than these options provided, you can wait and do so during the official pre-launch. This pre-enrollment phase is for leaders only.


    Copyright 2009 Len Clements. ALL WORLDWIDE RIGHTS RESERVED.

    I also note that our blathering boy is not listed anywhere on the Yoli Top Leaders Stories. He was very active in 2009 and a little shows up for 2010. After that it is obvious he was doing almost nothing with Yoli. So, did he get burned out or did the company leadership distance themselves from this incredibly verbose buffoon who is constantly getting into embarrassing scraps online? There is much more to this story than Lenny is sharing. It is a joke to call him active in Yoli at this point. Who in their right mind would have paid for the start-up kits Lenny was pimping????

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    Isn't this pic from his audition for Lord of the Rings character Elrond that eventually went to Hugo Weaving?



    or the troll in Where the Wild Things Are?


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