Thread: World Peace thru MLM

Originally Posted by iamwil

Yup...

revenue 10 k
expenses 10k
trip to AU (6k included as expenses in above 10K)
profit...0

eg...I'm making enough to pay for the trip...

Wil, you truly are an idiot. No, really. You cannot be "making enough" to pay for the trip if you have no profit. It would be a loss. You cannot reason. If you own a store and your revenue is 10K per month and your expenses are 10K per month, you have no profit. Revenue and profit are tied together. So your trip to AU will net you a loss. Right? So using your own example above:

revenue 10 k
expenses 10k
trip to AU (6k included as expenses in above 10K)
profit...0
LOSS $6K

Duh!

Seems to me that is my choice...and has little bearing on you fellas, but you seem to think otherwise.

It does have a bearing on us "fellas" when you attempt to justify the benefits of being in TriVita for 11 years and have zero to show for it. This is typical with MLM dolts. In those 11 years, you obviously haven't recruited enough people to have a downline that is even giving you a slight profit. You're a failure at it.

Furthermore, you failed to answer my question again. You've been in TriVita for 11 years without making a profit. How many years are you going to give it before you see the light and realize you're throwing away not only your time and money and make the decision to throw in the towel? Or do you really enjoy working for free (and quite possibly losing money each year)?

I wonder where the 6k estimate for a trip to OZ came from? Wil must use YTB.

There is some reason to Will's approach, as long as you ignore the IRS.

He's saying he will invest every penny from the business that would be profit back into the business to grow it. At any time, he can stop investing in his business and start collecting profit. The more he lets his business grow, the more it's worth on paper in his mind. He could tell a prospective buyer that the business generates X amount of revenue, and the new owner could forgo any of the growth efforts in the past and start collecting some % as profit.

The problem is he currently isn't running his business to create a profit. He thinks he can continually run the business as a loss or break even, and then pay the IRS when he realizes a capital gain when selling the business. Unfortunately the IRS doesn't agree with him. Thus, any loss isn't able to be counted against positive earnings from other sources, and some expenses may be disallowed (thus making him profitable and responsible for back taxes and the associated penalties).

He's playing with two fires. First, his MLM business may not be worth what he thinks it will be come time to sell, especially given the artifically restrained market (he can only sell to insiders). Second, the IRS. The first is a risk to his future value, the second is a risk to his past and current income, and possibly his future freedom.

Originally Posted by calvinandhobbes

He's playing with two fires. First, his MLM business may not be worth what he thinks it will be come time to sell, especially given the artifically restrained market (he can only sell to insiders). Second, the IRS. The first is a risk to his future value, the second is a risk to his past and current income, and possibly his future freedom.

Let's see here. I've asked him if he can give me any example of anyone that would be interested in buying his "business." He can't. No one is going to pay $30K for something that hasn't generated a profit in 11 years. OK, that's probably wrong because if you look at the suckers out there that get taken by the bullshit, I'm sure he could find one that just got into TriVita. It's possible but highly unlikely since these morons don't have that type of cash or they wouldn't be interested in MLM in the first place, and especially one that hasn't generated a profit in 11 years. He may not disclose that though. And if he had half a brain, he wouldn't.

Originally Posted by BruceShuell

I wonder where the 6k estimate for a trip to OZ came from? Wil must use YTB.

6k was a fictitious number made up by your friend saved trash. Who knows after traveling to four or five cities a couple countries, food, lodging etc...the guess may be close. And I am currently keeping down expenses so that the debit card the company fills will be ready willing and able to be utilized.

Originally Posted by calvinandhobbes

There is some reason to Will's approach, as long as you ignore the IRS.

We don't ignore the IRS....I make some profit occasionally and losses occasionally, my CPA handles these situations and they don't like risk, they play conservative. They like you can't believe I've done as well as I have over the years with MLM.

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

Let's see here. I've asked him if he can give me any example of anyone that would be interested in buying his "business." He can't. No one is going to pay $30K for something that hasn't generated a profit in 11 years. OK, that's probably wrong because if you look at the suckers out there that get taken by the bullshit, I'm sure he could find one that just got into TriVita. It's possible but highly unlikely since these morons don't have that type of cash or they wouldn't be interested in MLM in the first place, and especially one that hasn't generated a profit in 11 years. He may not disclose that though. And if he had half a brain, he wouldn't.

You are quite funny. Can you give me some examples of some people that might buy your house? I've got three people in my upline...and they'd all purchase my business if it were available. I have a number in my downline that would be willing to purchase my business should I choose to sell....

And as the trend continues of sales and revenues rising it continues to be worth more. It is ok that you folks are naysayers...that is what you do, you do it admirably. But you really have no concept of the amount of cash folks have available to build, grow or buy a business, nor the regular businessmen that get involved.

But again...you all love to focus on me...one of the millions involved in MLM around the world. I wish to dicuss your thoughts on world peace. You don't think my solution is viable....that is all well and good, since you won't be joining MLM as it is.

But what pray tell is your solution?

Originally Posted by BruceShuell

I wonder where the 6k estimate for a trip to OZ came from? Wil must use YTB.

That was my laugh for the day on here!!! He plans on hitch hiking from the east coast to SFO and then being loaded as cargo in the hold. On arrival at SYD, he will hitch hike again and stay at a youth hostel with a roommate and eat snacks for meals. That way, he'll have enough left over to buy some plastic snow globes of the Opera House for his downline. Geez, you TA's are so cynical! lmao

Originally Posted by iamwil

You are quite funny. Can you give me some examples of some people that might buy your house? I've got three people in my upline...and they'd all purchase my business if it were available. I have a number in my downline that would be willing to purchase my business should I choose to sell....

A house has value, your business does not have any value. You have not made a profit in 11 years which would drive virtually any company out of business. You state that you have three people in your upline that would buy your business and several in your downline that would buy it. I previously asked you to show me anyone in TriVita that has sold their business. You chose to ignore that right along with all of the other pointed questions I've asked which would force you to admit the truth. You are a true MLMer in that respect.

And as the trend continues of sales and revenues rising it continues to be worth more. It is ok that you folks are naysayers...that is what you do, you do it admirably. But you really have no concept of the amount of cash folks have available to build, grow or buy a business, nor the regular businessmen that get involved.

Oh OK, so you have been in TriVita for 11 years without a profit and if "the trend continues of sales and revenues rising it continues to be worth more" of what? Zero equals zero. For this particular "naysayer," you've proven that in 11 years that you haven't turned a profit and most likely have lost money. But next year will be different, just as the past 10 years have been, right? And yes, I do have the concept and a smart person wouldn't put any money into any MLM unless they were the founder. Simply put, Wil, you're full of ****.

But again...you all love to focus on me...one of the millions involved in MLM around the world. I wish to dicuss your thoughts on world peace. You don't think my solution is viable....that is all well and good, since you won't be joining MLM as it is.

Gee Wil, I wonder why we focus on you? Could it be because you keep putting yourself out there for ridicule? Keep in mind that you posted your links, you posted your resume online, you named your current employer, you post on company time, you get upset when valid questions are asked and dodge them faster than a speeding bullet, you make the claims and can't back them up, and now you're stating you want to talk about world peace. No, you want to talk about MLMs or you wouldn't have posted this on the MLM forum. Why didn't you choose a title like, Can Fuller Brush Solve World Strife? No Wil, we just pulled you out of cyberspace to criticize you and you had nothing to do with it nor did you have a choice. I think you get the picture (but probably not).

But what pray tell is your solution?

A start would be for you to be ethical and answer questions about your business with honest answers. After all, you made the claims we're responding to so back them up or shut up. I'm still waiting for you to ever address the question if you find it ethical to post on the internet about unrelated work issues when you're being paid by an employer to do otherwise. Obviously you don't have a problem with shafting your employer. Now that's ethical in your mind. So is selling worthless cactus juice, aka snake oil.

CORRECTION

I just received a PM informing me that I have committed a gross error. I admit I have been wrong. I kept stating that Wil has posted the value of his business at 30K. Wrong, he stated it's worth over 50K. I stand corrected but I'm still laughing at the "value," and especially me underestimating it by 20K.

Originally Posted by Iamwil

what do you think I'm using to pay the mortgage, health insurance, 25k into the 401k every year. I've said repeatedly...I have a job, I have kids, I have rentals, I work with scouts and church and soccer...and in between I've created a business that is worth over 50k if I sell it....to me that isn't too bad. But what do I know.

I imagine my real business that actually makes money must be worth millions then.

Originally Posted by iamwil

We don't ignore the IRS....I make some profit occasionally and losses occasionally,

pick a story. last i heard, you never made a profit.

my CPA handles these situations and they don't like risk, they play conservative. They like you can't believe I've done as well as I have over the years with MLM.

no profit in 11 years is "well"? Let's see, doesn't understand the profit rule for business versus hobby...and thinks no profit is good. Yes, you do need an new CPA.

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

That was my laugh for the day on here!!! He plans on hitch hiking from the east coast to SFO and then being loaded as cargo in the hold. On arrival at SYD, he will hitch hike again and stay at a youth hostel with a roommate and eat snacks for meals. That way, he'll have enough left over to buy some plastic snow globes of the Opera House for his downline. Geez, you TA's are so cynical! lmao

If time was no constraint, that would be a great trip. Except just a hint for ya....when you are hitchin to destinations nobody uses the airport codes...10-4?

There is absolutely nothing like hitch-hiking to really interact with folks. Of course there is nothing like first class cabins either....especially on Qantas. (no first class for me...on Qantas...domestic upgrades sure...)

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

A house has value, your business does not have any value.

an opinion, and a wrong one, but it's ok...

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

You have not made a profit in 11 years which would drive virtually any company out of business. You state that you have three people in your upline that would buy your business and several in your downline that would buy it. I previously asked you to show me anyone in TriVita that has sold their business. You chose to ignore that right along with all of the other pointed questions I've asked which would force you to admit the truth. You are a true MLMer in that respect.

Show you? What do you want a picture? Yes many businesses have been bought and sold and I know personally folks that have bought some. But I've got no need to prove anything to you, as with everything else, any time I've shown you anything you just move onto something else to whine about. You are true anti-mlmer in that respect. I think you are truly disgusted with me because I've been so honest and forthcoming with you and you can't stand it.

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

Oh OK, so you have been in TriVita for 11 years without a profit and if "the trend continues of sales and revenues rising it continues to be worth more" of what? Zero equals zero. For this particular "naysayer," you've proven that in 11 years that you haven't turned a profit and most likely have lost money. But next year will be different, just as the past 10 years have been, right? And yes, I do have the concept and a smart person wouldn't put any money into any MLM unless they were the founder. Simply put, Wil, you're full of ****.

I'm stupid and full of crap in your opinion...how will I ever sleep at night?

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

Gee Wil, I wonder why we focus on you? Could it be because you keep putting yourself out there for ridicule? Keep in mind that you posted your links, you posted your resume online, you named your current employer, you post on company time, you get upset when valid questions are asked and dodge them faster than a speeding bullet, you make the claims and can't back them up, and now you're stating you want to talk about world peace. No, you want to talk about MLMs or you wouldn't have posted this on the MLM forum. Why didn't you choose a title like, Can Fuller Brush Solve World Strife? No Wil, we just pulled you out of cyberspace to criticize you and you had nothing to do with it nor did you have a choice. I think you get the picture (but probably not).

Wake up, smell the roses...YOU are talking about other threads YOU are talking about other forums YOU are talking about other times. I'VE started a thread on WORLD PEACE, I keep wishing to discuss it, I have to waste all my time with YOUR inane questions that have nothing to do with it.

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

A start would be for you to be ethical and answer questions about your business with honest answers. After all, you made the claims we're responding to so back them up or shut up. I'm still waiting for you to ever address the question if you find it ethical to post on the internet about unrelated work issues when you're being paid by an employer to do otherwise. Obviously you don't have a problem with shafting your employer. Now that's ethical in your mind. So is selling worthless cactus juice, aka snake oil.

All I've done is given you honest answers. You have issues with them, that is not my problem. I don't have to provide you with supporting documents for everything....I've asked you repeatedly...does it make sense that as an MLMer I would brag that my expenses have regularly exceeded my revenue??? Does it make sense to you if I was a braggart that I would say I have to work a day job and also run real estate rentals? Give me a break...if I wanted to lie to you I'd say I lived on a yacht, traveled the world and made millions....face it, it pisses you off that I am honest.

Originally Posted by Whip

I imagine my real business that actually makes money must be worth millions then.

depending on the nature of the business, and its potential...it may be...I know my potential buyers.

Originally Posted by iamwil

If time was no constraint, that would be a great trip. Except just a hint for ya....when you are hitchin to destinations nobody uses the airport codes...10-4?

There is absolutely nothing like hitch-hiking to really interact with folks. Of course there is nothing like first class cabins either....especially on Qantas. (no first class for me...on Qantas...domestic upgrades sure...)

You know, I have seen you make just hundreds of stupid, lame ass replies to other posters, but this has to be your most ignorant response yet. Here is a hint for you, anyone in the aviation industry or the travel industry or any business related to them, uses ICAO and IATA identifier codes and the same codes are used throughout the world. They are used for the names of any airline company as well and much more. They are the standard. So your response is so incredibly stupid and pointless, that I hardly know what to say. You just had to say something and this is all you could come up with? lol

How would you know what a first class cabin on Qantas or any other airline is like? Domestic upgrades? WTF? Why would you get a domestic upgrade? Do you even understand how that works in this day and age? Been on a flight lately? I can't wait to hear that explanation. On your budget, you'll be on a carrier making one to two stops where you will be sitting in economy with the unwashed masses like a sardine for the 18 hour flight. You can't even afford Business Class. It's more than your entire budget. lol

10-4? WTF? ROTFL! That might be used by law enforcement in the US but it has never used by any pilot ever, anywhere in the world. lmao

Before you bother responding to posts, maybe you should just stop. It's so embarrassing for you. Not that, that has stopped you up to this point. Your ignorance it seems, is boundless. Good grief. Just unplug your puter. Oh, and are you posting from "work" yet again??? ROTFL!

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

You know, I have seen you make just hundreds of stupid, lame ass replies to other posters, but this has to be your most ignorant response yet. Here is a hint for you, anyone in the aviation industry or the travel industry or any business related to them, uses ICAO and IATA identifier codes and the same codes are used throughout the world. They are used for the names of any airline company as well and much more. They are the standard. So your response is so incredibly stupid and pointless, that I hardly know what to say. You just had to say something and this is all you could come up with? lol

How would you know what a first class cabin on Qantas or any other airline is like? Domestic upgrades? WTF? Why would you get a domestic upgrade? Do you even understand how that works in this day and age? Been on a flight lately? I can't wait to hear that explanation. On your budget, you'll be on a carrier making one to two stops where you will be sitting in economy with the unwashed masses like a sardine for the 18 hour flight. You can't even afford Business Class. It's more than your entire budget. lol

10-4? WTF? ROTFL! That might be used by law enforcement in the US but it has never used by any pilot ever, anywhere in the world. lmao

Before you bother responding to posts, maybe you should just stop. It's embarrassing for you. Not that, that has stopped you up to this point. Good grief. Just unplug your puter.

Oh you are so correct...yes when folks are traveling from Baltimore thru DC on the way to Leesburg by car they typically say I'll be leaving BWI by 10 should be at DCA for lunch and then we'll meet just west of IAD... No we don't talk like that...nobody talks like that unless they are flying in and out of airports...

Upgrades...last time I upgraded to first class it was $20 a leg...couldn't pass it up, did it right there at the electronic check in kiosk. Granted that was last October, granted I haven't flown since February.... No I'm not a pilot....and you didn't like the 10-4 sarcasm good buddy?

Yes, I often sit coach with the unwashed masses as you so eloquently call us. I am not of the upper crusty right pinky and nostrels in the air crowd. Paper napkins are ok with me. Don't get me wrong...the occasional first class cabin, cruise ship or night in the Biltmore are just fine...I can enjoy decadance and conspicuous consumption as much as the next guy....but it ain't my life.

I gotcher ICAO and IATA identifier codes hangin, Roger, over and out.

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

Before you bother responding to posts, maybe you should just stop. It's so embarrassing for you. Not that, that has stopped you up to this point. Your ignorance it seems, is boundless. Good grief. Just unplug your puter. Oh, and are you posting from "work" yet again??? ROTFL!

Are you insinuating iamwil isn't behaving deliberately ???

Does anyone honestly believe iamwils' forum behaviour is anything more than an act ???

People get their jollies in all sorts of peculiar ways.

Some people scratch their names on shop windows,

some spray illegible messages on the walls of buildings with spraycans,

some break perfectly good things, scratch perfectly good cars for fun and steal hubcaps.

and iamwil,

well,

poor ol' wil does what wil does.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Are you insinuating iamwil isn't behaving deliberately ???

Does anyone honestly believe iamwils' forum behaviour is anything more than an act ???

People get their jollies in all sorts of peculiar ways.

Some people scratch their names on shop windows,

some spray illegible messages on the walls of buildings with spraycans,

some break perfectly good things, scratch perfectly good cars for fun and steal hubcaps.

and iamwil,

well,

poor ol' wil does what wil does.

You are of course right.. he's nothing but a forum board whore troll, spewing garbage to mark his stink on the internet. lol

Originally Posted by iamwil

Oh you are so correct...yes when folks are traveling from Baltimore thru DC on the way to Leesburg by car they typically say I'll be leaving BWI by 10 should be at DCA for lunch and then we'll meet just west of IAD... No we don't talk like that...nobody talks like that unless they are flying in and out of airports...

Upgrades...last time I upgraded to first class it was $20 a leg...couldn't pass it up, did it right there at the electronic check in kiosk. Granted that was last October, granted I haven't flown since February.... No I'm not a pilot....and you didn't like the 10-4 sarcasm good buddy?

Yes, I often sit coach with the unwashed masses as you so eloquently call us. I am not of the upper crusty right pinky and nostrels in the air crowd. Paper napkins are ok with me. Don't get me wrong...the occasional first class cabin, cruise ship or night in the Biltmore are just fine...I can enjoy decadance and conspicuous consumption as much as the next guy....but it ain't my life.

I gotcher ICAO and IATA identifier codes hangin, Roger, over and out.

Man, you are beyond a dumbass. I, as a pilot was posting and using the codes and responding to Bruce who is a TA, in the first place and not to you. Cripes, give it the hell up already. You don't even get that much do you? Quick, look up TA on Google. lmao

Seating in business class or first class on any flight, has nothing whatsoever to do with "upper crust" nor any of the other nonsense that you have stated, and it just goes to show how little you have ever traveled and the state of your finances. It's about service, comfort, amenities, perks and space. The same for hotels and cruise ships. Just because you cannot afford to travel in that manner, you try to degrade the experience and deflect from what it actually means. Sorry, that isn't working. If you had a half of a brain you would know that airline employees for example, are always upgraded to business and first class if there is space to do so. We won't even get into their families. That's way over your head. lol I suppose an FA or a GA or some tired deadheading FO to you is part of the "upper crusty right pinky and nostrels in the air crowd then" that you will often see in in First Class and Business Class. ROTFL! The same courtesy is often afforded active military. Get a grip on reality at some point Will......seriously.

There is nothing sarcastic about your posts Willy, they are just unintelligent, lame as ****, uneducated and ignorant deflections and lies. Nice to see your "boss" at "work" is still letting you post on the net all day long. lol

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

You are of course right.. he's nothing but a forum board whore troll, spewing garbage to mark his stink on the internet. lol

I DO think, however, it's vitally important to keep iamwil posting in his own inimitable way.

When dealing with people who have retreated into their own little delusional bubble, it is relatively easy to keep "pushing their buttons", so to speak, and keep them believing they're "winning" some imaginary battle, when, in fact, they're merely reinforcing their own beliefs and impressing nobody.

Keep 'im talking, I say.

Originally Posted by iamwil

I gotcher ICAO and IATA identifier codes hangin, Roger, over and out.

Try again Willy. Commercial (cargo or PAX) Pilots never say "Roger over and out", either lmao. The "Over and Out" phrase is generally used on maritime radio communications, btw. ROTFL! Just quit while you are behind.

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

Man, you are beyond a dumbass. I, as a pilot was posting and using the codes and responding to Bruce who is a TA, in the first place and not to you.

You were speaking about ME hitching to SFO....and then hopping a cargo ship to SYD....I repeat...we don't use airport codes to hitchhike...we write the name of the city on the cardboard sign.

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

You are of course right.. he's nothing but a forum board whore troll, spewing garbage to mark his stink on the internet. lol

Funny if you weren't talking about me or the other forum you'd lose over half of your top ten threads...

I am what keeps this forum hopping...

you are welcome.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

I DO think, however, it's vitally important to keep iamwil posting in his own inimitable way.

When dealing with people who have retreated into their own little delusional bubble, it is relatively easy to keep "pushing their buttons", so to speak, and keep them believing they're "winning" some imaginary battle, when, in fact, they're merely reinforcing their own beliefs and impressing nobody.

Keep 'im talking, I say.

He is beyond delusional. Your assessment is as usual, spot on. It's more entertaining than The Comedy Network on tv, I will say that. lol It's amazing just how deep the illusions are for these people. It doesn't seem to matter that they appear obviously clueless to everyone else around them. They just keep putting up the b.s. front that they believe is the truth and fact. But then when you have pissed away your life, and cannot face the reality of that nor change it, this is all they have I guess.

Originally Posted by iamwil

You were speaking about ME hitching to SFO....and then hopping a cargo ship to SYD....I repeat...we don't use airport codes to hitchhike...we write the name of the city on the cardboard sign.

Let me go........ slow.....I was not........ speaking.......... to........ you....I was speaking......... to Bruce.........about.......... your....... trip............he is....... a .........TA....... we....(he and I).......... speak......a common.....language.

And no, I was not referring to you "hopping a cargo liner" either. I was referring to you being loaded in the cargo hold of a plane instead of being SLF. ROTFL! At least that would save the poor bastards sitting next you, from an 18 hour ride from hell.

I imagine you have a lot of experience with hitchhiking as your primary means of travel. That statement from you, is least is true. lol You finally got something correct on this entire thread.

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

He is beyond delusional. Your assessment is as usual, spot on. It's more entertaining than The Comedy Network on tv, I will say that. lol It's amazing just how deep the illusions are for these people. It doesn't seem to matter that they appear obviously clueless to everyone else around them. They just keep putting up the b.s. front that they believe is the truth and fact. But then when you have pissed away your life, and cannot face the reality of that nor change it, this is all they have I guess.

There's a subject for a whole new thread direction right there.

"At what stage could one reasonably say "positive thinking" becomes "delusional" and then one stage further and becomes "denial" ???

Originally Posted by littleroundman

There's a subject for a whole new thread direction right there.

"At what stage could one reasonably say "positive thinking" becomes "delusional" and then one stage further and becomes "denial" ???

Hells Bells! You have really hit on something there!!! Willy could be the poster boy. "If I imagine it, it will be real". lol