Thread: World Peace thru MLM

Originally Posted by calvinandhobbes

if you think the MLM workforce is made up of mostly educated people, you are dumber than I give you credit for (and that's pretty dumb, Mr "Car=Carburetor", "Revenue=Profit", etc).

Now you know I don't believe revenue and profit are the same thing...or cars and carburetors are the same thing however much you enjoy it.

As I've said before and you don't seem to understand I have both revenue without profit and a car without a carburetor...so I see how you can be confused.

Our company's workforce consists of folks that answer the phones, run the office, R&D, they are great folks. They would be on average equal to their amazon.com counterparts, I don't believe our shipping department and theirs is much different. Nor our web techies and theirs...they just have more of 'em.

As for the affiliates...who aren't part of the company workforce...the independents out there...most of them are much more educated than myself. I know you all like to give me a hard time...but I haven't done bad on a public school education. I'm happy, and you all are enthralled with my every move in life....what isn't to like?

Originally Posted by iamwil

but I haven't done bad on a public school education.

Nothing wrong with public education... as long as it continues past 6th grade.

Originally Posted by Seriously?

Nothing wrong with public education... as long as it continues past 6th grade.

Phooey, I knew I did something wrong...

But that is when they said I had to enter into indentured servitude with MLM...

Originally Posted by iamwil

Now you know I don't believe revenue and profit are the same thing...

will, you REPEATEDLY have interchanged the two words, you have demonstrated that you can either not communicate simple concepts or don't understand simple concepts. this isn't a case of "i said income when I meant revenue that time", this is a mistake you have made over and over and over. It's also a common mistake among MLMers.

or cars and carburetors are the same thing however much you enjoy it.

yes, i know you know a car isn't a carburetor, but you, again, REPEATEDLY...even AFTER BEING CORRECTED, misrepresented my words by substituting "car" for "carburetor." This is no exaggeration, it is exactly what you did.

As I've said before and you don't seem to understand

this ought to be interesting....what don't I understand.....

I have both revenue without profit

when have I not understood this? The only time I was under the impression you made 20k in profit was when you said you made 20k in income. The misunderstanding is your misstatement, not mine.

and a car without a carburetor...

when have I thought you had a car with a carburetor?

so I see how you can be confused.

You have yet to point out one confusion on my part. You certainly have pointed out many a correction to your own misstatements on your part....MANY.

Our company's workforce consists of folks that answer the phones, run the office, R&D, they are great folks. They would be on average equal to their amazon.com counterparts

There are people that work for amazon developing the kindle...developing VERY high end web retail portal stuff. They are people with phD's in software development, etc... you have no clue to what you speak of. Seriously...quit while you look like a complete idiot....it's only getting worse.

I don't believe our shipping department and theirs is much different. Nor our web techies and theirs...they just have more of 'em.

You believe wrong. Not even close.

As for the affiliates...who aren't part of the company workforce...the independents out there...

they are part of the work force. Employees....no. But they make up the network....the face of the company.

most of them are much more educated than myself.

that doesn't make them educated.

I know you all like to give me a hard time...but I haven't done bad on a public school education. I'm happy, and you all are enthralled with my every move in life....what isn't to like?

liking something as in being entertained by a trainwreck is different than liking, say Steve Jobs because of the iPod.

Originally Posted by iamwil

But that is when they said I had to enter into indentured servitude with MLM...

Huh. Maybe that's how they manage to keep the kids on the books as employees...

Originally Posted by Seriously?

Huh. Maybe that's how they manage to keep the kids on the books as employees...

yup, use them to fold, staple, mutilate, stamp and mail...

It can be fun....once you get over the us v them mentality...we are all just humans playing human games...

The only one playing any "games" on here and on Scam, is YOU. Just stop the lies. We know the truth and so do you. Stop lying already. Enough is enough.

Originally Posted by iamwil

we have mostly consumers...in our massive online outlet with proprietary products...and mostly educated workforce...

Who says they're "educated employees?" Where can I find that? By educated, do you mean they graduated second grade or are they all college educated and have a degree in nutrition or business?

We have hundreds of folks at the home office, answering phones, taking orders, and then herds more answering phones from the infomercials...we pay for the infomercials, we receive customers, we follow up with customers, we receive comissions from our customers orders...it isn't that complicated and it is different from most mlm as we do pay for advertising we do advertise nationally and locally daily, on television, on radio, in print, on the web...have been doing so for a decade.

Hundreds? How about between 100 and 150 employees which includes the telemarketers, the warehouse, and everyone else. You need to do your homework a bit better.

(posted on 8-05-10) And for driving...I'll be doing it all next week...family vacation....two years ago we went west, last year we went north...flipping coins at intersections deciding which way to go...stopping at the point of interest signs along the way...going wherever we fancied... This year we are going south, my twins are 17...gonna be seniors in high school...with their work and college...and then creating their own families...I don't know when we'll be able to spend a week together again. I'm hoping we can continue to find time over the years.....but there is a distinct possiblity this will be the last road trip.

This is next week and I noticed that you've racked up 5 posts over yonder today alone. It's Monday afternoon. Vacation canceled or are you on your laptop while cruising along the country roads?

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

This is next week and I noticed that you've racked up 5 posts over yonder today alone. It's Monday afternoon. Vacation canceled or are you on your laptop while cruising along the country roads?

Laptop while my daughter drives down country roads...

the beach was wonderful...as were the mountains..

a good time was had by all...nice working holiday...

Oh bullshit! You were posting and reading morning, afternoon and night the entire week that you were on your phony "vacation". ROTFL! Just stop the lies, seriously. Enough is enough. Driving through country roads my ass. Is that like your phony job and phony commute and phony office that you are at today while merrily posting away on Scam and on here?

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

Oh bullshit! You were posting and reading morning, afternoon and night the entire week that you were on your phony "vacation". ROTFL! Just stop the lies, seriously. Enough is enough. Driving through country roads my ass. Is that like your phony job and phony commute and phony office that you are at today while merrily posting away on Scam and on here?

You are correct. While on vacation with my kids, while at the beach, while in the hotel, I log on...I answer email, I make phone calls, I post online...

The beach was nice, the waves were great, not great for surfing or body surfing but for fighting, riding the ridges and diving through...heckuva lot of fun. As was the mountains and the Blue Ridge Parkway...nice time...a couple of evening thunderstorms but all in all great weather. We played some mini golf as well, and went to a show at Legends...saw Buddy Holly (a 60 year old Buddy at that), Martina McBride, The Blues Brothers, the Beatles and Elvis...my son wasn't that interested, he was making periodic table flash cards during the show, my daughter and I enjoyed it thou. Oh and found a nice hole in the wall Thai place...and toured the largest collection of Amercan Sculptures... Beach, mountains, friends, family, good eats, some impersonators, and still work the business, and post some notes....what is not to like?

How about you, how is your time living vicariously thru my life, trying to determine what I do all day and how I do it. How is that going? Keeping track of where I am posting and when I am online...does it keep you busy enough? entertained enough?

Well of course dear. Everyone takes their laptop with them on a vacation with their family and posts 54 times on Scam, morning, afternoon and evening.

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

Well of course dear. Everyone takes their laptop with them on a vacation with their family and posts 54 times on Scam, morning, afternoon and evening.

Well there was just no need to post here...

I waited a week and there were only 19 new updates when I came back...

What do you all hunt and peck? 10 seconds to post this, a minute to post that...tis sooooo time consuming... and you can do it while other things are being printed, while waiting for a bus, while on a phone call, while sitting at the beach. I can only play in the surf so long...and read so many chapters... laying in the sun is not for me...

however entertaining you folks and listening to you squirm as you get your panties in a bunch and pull out your wedgies...tis fun, amusing past time.

How you hang on my every word, seek out my every post, contemplate my punctuation, pounce on anything that moves... being the hunted and haunted is quite interesting... I'm gonna head for the urinal now...don't stand to close, I think I've got a little gas.

In truth Will no one asked why you didn't post here, but you just keep lying and deflecting and changing the subject. The real entertainment here is watching an idiot (that would be you) lie and squirm, make crap up and lamely try to justify his behavior. No one is buying the bullshit, Will. No one. No one on Scam and no one on here. The only one wearing panties is you. The rest of us are laughing our asses off at you, waiting for the next bullshit fairy tale from you. If they had an award for class clown on here, you'd be it. The only "vacation" you took is much like your "job", your "commute" and your "office". You walked from your bedroom outside to get the bills and Food Stamp vouchers in your mailbox and the sun shone on you for 60 seconds. lmao

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

In truth Will no one asked why you didn't post here, but you just keep lying and deflecting and changing the subject. The real entertainment here is watching an idiot (that would be you) lie and squirm, make crap up and lamely try to justify his behavior. No one is buying the bullshit, Will. No one. No one on Scam and no one on here. The only one wearing panties is you. The rest of us are laughing our asses off at you, waiting for the next bullshit fairy tale from you. If they had an award for class clown on here, you'd be it. The only "vacation" you took is much like your "job", your "commute" and your "office". You walked from your bedroom outside to get the bills and Food Stamp vouchers in your mailbox and the sun shone on you for 60 seconds. lmao

Oh so now I don't take vacations and live off of foodstamps...

I guess a life aloft has a deeper meaning...a more flighty one, seems you are prone to flights of fancy eh?

Oh yeah you've found me out, I've never worked, have no kids and use the computer here at the home for the brain damaged....

I do love how the majority of the posts are yet again revolving around my life, my posts on scam.com, or scam.com itself.

Come on get a life, have an original thought, get into discussion and quit trying to make up things that aren't true when I just give you simple facts.

Originally Posted by iamwil

I do love how the majority of the posts are yet again revolving around my life, my posts on scam.com, or scam.com itself.

You are the one bringing up these issues. You can't seem to comprehend that. How would we know that you have twins, coach soccer or whatever, what your said is occupation is, etc., without you informing us of it. I don't think we're psychic. We're not allowed to comment on your posts? That's a new one on me since this is a discussion board.

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

You are the one bringing up these issues. You can't seem to comprehend that. How would we know that you have twins, coach soccer or whatever, what your said is occupation is, etc., without you informing us of it. I don't think we're psychic. We're not allowed to comment on your posts? That's a new one on me since this is a discussion board.

You don't comment you interrogate, you call me a liar, you make up fantastical stories about my life. You seem to think you have a right to know everything about me...you don't...I have a right to choose what I tell you about me.

You hide behind this net name or that and take potshots... It has to do with the number of topics and discussions here...there are none, I am it, so it is your focus.

If you wish to assist this place in growth take the blinders off and look around, there are plenty of things to discuss other than my life, or hell, get one of your own.

Originally Posted by iamwil

You don't comment you interrogate, you call me a liar, you make up fantastical stories about my life. You seem to think you have a right to know everything about me...you don't...I have a right to choose what I tell you about me.

You point out one time that I've called you a liar. I want to see that. And what stories have I "made up?" Examples?

You hide behind this net name or that and take potshots... It has to do with the number of topics and discussions here...there are none, I am it, so it is your focus.

If you wish to assist this place in growth take the blinders off and look around, there are plenty of things to discuss other than my life, or hell, get one of your own.

Excuse me? You are the one that has brought your personal life to the forefront, not me. How else would I have this information? And now you're whining because you're being questioned? Too bad. If you post it, you should be able to back it up. In that area, you have failed miserably. I think you just like to post to see your name in print because they're pretty worthless. Well....except for your posts benefiting anyone that reads these types of forums and would want to join TriVita. Your failure in it is enough to keep anyone with a brain cell and a half from joining. I don't know anyone that would pay to be in an MLM and not make a profit for 11 years and continue to hold hope for that long. But that's my fault, right?

Originally Posted by iamwil

You hide behind this net name or that and take potshots

Your always-lame Clements argument is as weak as always and never makes any sense.
You will meet none of us, more than likely, thus even if you allegedly use your real name, no one will know if it is or not and you will always be anonymous. You and your cronies are no better than anyone else just because you spout that nonsense.

Originally Posted by King

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I just did a search on here for Kiosk and it brought this forum up. Just heard this today:

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I see many red flags here! Isn't this something to do with Global Domains?? I know I have seen Joel Therien's name before because he is big into MLM's.

You Gotta be kidding me, Right? Then we would just have a few rich people running the countries and the rest of the population would be starving to death.
I guess then it would be time to get into selling coffins, I bet you can make a pyramid out of those to.

Get informed people,

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Dr. Jon M. Taylor of the Consumer Awareness Institute found in his analysis of over 350 MLMs that they all depend upon unlimited recruitment into an endless chain of participants – all of whom are incentivized to buy products in order to qualify for commissions and advancement in the scheme. And all of their compensation plans are top weighted, meaning a few TOPPs (top-of-the-pyramid promoters) profit handsomely at the expense of a revolving door of recruits, approximately 99% of whom lose money. To get your questions about MLM answered by a qualified independent analyst download his new eBook at no cost at, The truth about MLM, or multi-level marketing, based on solid research and world-wide feedback

Stephen Barrett, M.D., is one of the most prolific independent investigators of health quackery and related fraud on the web. MLM Watch

404 Not Found – A classic article on MLM/network marketing, “What’s Wrong with Multi-level Marketing?” is written by Dean VanDruff

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Tracy Coenen is a forensic accountant (and former Mary Kay participant) who investigates white collar crime. She has posted some interesting articles about MLM.. Go to – Sequence Inc. Forensic Accounting - Sequence Inc. Forensic Accounting & Fraud Investigation Then enter "multi-level marketing" in the search box at the top, and you can reference several articles and videos about MLM.
For a lively online discussion on the pros and cons of specific MLMs and of MLM in general, check out realscam.com. It was initiated when an MLM promoter became a moderator for the once excellent web site scam.com. Go to the MLM/ network marketing pyramid scheme category and follow one of the threads that interests you.

Lee Devlin's Weblog presents the article "which exposes in a very brief analysis the impossible math of MLM. Read how nicely his insights debug the obfuscation of numbers by MLM promoters.

Entirely predictable.

Complete with the normal fraudsters' "it's not our fault" excuse:



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Hopefully they didn't get away with too much.