All ya gotta do is ask him about getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar in that MLM telecom (pretty sure it was buzzirk) scam. He's a hack on the take. Period.
All ya gotta do is ask him about getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar in that MLM telecom (pretty sure it was buzzirk) scam. He's a hack on the take. Period.
Looks like Zeek will have a little competition or is this just a way out for them.
I have joined up with ApSense just to see what is going on there and right away it is evident the Scammers are there!!I will never bad talk Zeek. Zeek is an amazing company. I plan to stay with Zeek as well. I just don’t want all my eggs in one basket. With that being said here we go…
1. Yes! Free affiliates are paid 5% cash on all bid purchases on two levels (*major difference)…with zeek that’s not possible. Here is your chance to join prior to launch for free.
2. Bidify lets affiliates earn on bid points for 120 days. (*major difference)…with zeek that’s not possible (only 90days)
3. Bidify pays all monthly paying affiliates 25% on sponsor commissions! (*major difference)….with zeek it’s 10% max.
4. Bidify Pays 5% commissions 3 levels down (medium difference/but still better)
more....
Isn't Troy's $75 video coaching service an indirect financial motive? He is increasing his readership around 3x (based on Alexa) and at a minimum he is now known to every one of the alleged 800k Zeek membership, and if that number is inflated, at least tens of thousands of active network marketers who didn't know of him before. Because of this indirect benefit, Troy is much more likely to be neutral to Pro-Zeek in his coverage even in the face of glaring warning signs.
Troy went further than that, putting his official blessing on Zeek by saying (my emphasis in bold):
When Zeek blows up in all the MLM leaders' faces, Troy will lose a lot of credibility.Originally Posted by Troy Dooly @MLMHelpDesk
All the more reason to use MLM terms to reach him and make him see that Zeek, when compared to a more "traditional MLM" company, is a mis-shappened monstrosity.
I'll explain it this way:
In a regular business, you as an employee, have little responsibility: you do your work, you get paid. Major decisions are NOT up to you.
In MLM, you, as an IBO, are responsible for how to allocate the advertising budget (which the company does NOT spend much, if anything on) and recruiting/training budget. YOU, as the IBO, determine that. You rely on the company for product and minor support. If the products are dropped shipped from the company, and money is paid to the company, then you receive your profit back from the company, plus commission (PV and GV based).
But what is Zeek?
Zeek does NOT give much decision to the affiliates, if at all. Does Zeek affiliate even MEET any of the customers? Nope. It's all just some random characters you click on or just leave it on "auto" and the bids are given away automatically. Do you need to meet customers and convince them to visit Zeek? No. Pretty much the ONLY avenue you need to do is post ONE text ad. As you are NOT rewarded for doing more, why ANY ONE would do more is, well, questionable. Heck, you can even PAY people to do it FOR YOU.
So why does Zeek need the affiliates AT ALL? MLM companies need the affiliates to SELL THINGS, but not Zeek.
Zeek needs affiliates to BUY BIDS, not to sell bids like they claimed.
THAT, in itself, is fraud.
Furthermore, it makes it a huge Ponzi scheme, as we have pointed out before.
Is Troy Dooly shifting positions? He seems to think that Zeek is NOT MLM, but Internet company with MLM comp plan (isn't that spliting hair?)
A ponzi with an MLM plan, nice.
Is Troy going to make a July 4 video considering there are still many affiliates who haven't been paid for previous weeks? I predict it will be another "growing pains" video as the payment issues don't affect all affiliates, just some. Zeek should realize it only takes a small minority of irritated "I didn't get paid" members to make waves.
Well I don't know what Troy is going to do but here is a new ad from the famous Scamlandpro:
ZeekRewards Opportunity-Who do you want to be- somebody's "LEAD" or Business Partner? | View Forum | AdlandPro Community
Konstantin Velikodnyy | AdlandPro CommunityHello,my name is Konstantin. I live in US for more than 20 years.Originally I was born in Ukraine, beautiful Kiev. I'm married and have eight wonderful children.Currently participating in this great money making opportunity and earning 24/7. The most beautiful thing about this company is that no need to have a leads or to sell anything to anybody. Of course if you successful and you want to share about it, there is a benefit in that.If you like to look and learn welcome! Will take a great pleasure to help.
For more links And to look at my way of doing business please look under webpage tab below.
ZeekRewards - The Rewards Program of a Lifetime!
Wouldn't you believe this person?? LOL
We need to add this person to the "heroes" list. This person lost money in ASD and sees the Zeek Rewards warning signs clearly.
There's nothing like reading an actual person who had to go through real financial loss to bring some realism to a Zeek prospect's attention.
Read about it here: Zeek Rewards Scam | Zeek Rewards Ponzi | Zeek Rewards Rip off
But what *does* this guy sell after all? :)
No matter how they slice it:
BUY BIDS = internal consumption to GIVE AWAY = no external consumption.
There is no product for external consumption.
The potential is there for a "member" to make all or most of his returns based on a no consumption model.
Multi Level Marketing, my a**
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
It is good to see that these peoples' losses with ASD, Golden Panda, Biz Ad Splash (as founder members no less) and various other autosurfs have taught them how to recognise a productless ponzi when they see one. It is not so good, however, to see them go on to promote the Avant business out of Scottsdale, Arizona, run by Brent Payne, late of Liberty League International which ran foul of the regulators. They sell high priced "personal development courses" and that is not what many would call honorable home business.
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It looks like one of the readers over at MLMHelpDesk tried to educate Troy, and failed trying. I was going to try and post some analysis channeling my best impersonation of kschang, but after reading this, I think it will fall on deaf ears.
Troy's reply:Originally Posted by Reality Check
Originally Posted by Troy Dooly
FYI, folks, apparently someone in Zeekland put a 1000K (their words) bounty for my ID. Or it's a troll.
Read to the bottom of the comments, it's like the 4th or 5th one up.
Analyzing ZeekRewards and Zeekler, is Zeek Rewards a legal business? Read detailed Investigation here.
I signed up so we shall see.
Hmmm... Points are NOT GV or PV. PV is for stuff SOLD, not stuff "BOUGHT FOR ONE SELF BUT NOT CONSUMED".1. Points being awards in GV bonus pools based on PV volume sales (with personal cmmission being paid) is a standard i network marketing. Who is Zeeks point pool different?
Qualifier is a joke: post one text ad.2. Zeek uses specfical qualifiers, a cap and time limit on those points in the pool, while using a floting daily net revenue figure to also maintain the ballance in the pool. With the qualifiers, cap, and time limit in place how does this point to a ponzi scheme?
What cap?
Time limit of 90 days... So what? This "forced repurchase" just makes the whole thing more sustainable as people put a large portion of payout back into the system. It's STILL a Ponzi.
Money goes in, money goes out, no proven significant outside source of revenue.
And have ZR proven that it's NOT doing that? No. Too much emphasis on "bids purchased", ignoring the fact that bids serves TWO purposes: as bids to be used in auctions, or as tokens to be traded for VIP points.3. Any company whose fcus is o drivig retail sales, seems to me the type of company w want to see. It is the companbies who only drive network growth, and payout on new dollars from the signups that cause the issues.
Interesting, as this is NOT talking about Zeekler, but the industry in general, and gave a stat about some OTHER company. Is Troy suggesting that ZR has a similar ratio?It seems to me the majority of unique bid autions focus on retail sales, not just netork growth. I know that in the case of MediaNet Group, their active customer base in the auction and shopping mall is around 3 million worldwide, while their affiliates are only around 150K.
Found this on a HYIP investment blog. The author calls Zeek a clever HYIP and cites one of the big dangers is that MLM sheep are joining not realizing it is a HYIP. So their risk evaluation is faulty, and hence that's the fraud and why when Zeek implodes it will be much more painful than if say JBP/JSS imploded where all the participants knew they were gambling.
Some Zeek defenders also came out of the woodwork, all with faulty logic, but you can't go around correcting everyone... what, we going to create an anti-Zeek Squad? Zeek Truth Squad?
The blog is here: Will Zeek Rewards Scam ? |
This is only a post on ZR's Facebook page and I'm not trying to bash Mr. Hicks here. But:
They have "out grown" three payment processors? And ZR is helping THEM get "up to par"?
- Brian Hicks I live near Lexington, NC and frequent the home office regularly to hand deliver checks. I spoke to Roger, a Corp guy and he said we have outgrown NXPay, Payza and Alertpay. They are working with the 3 current ewallets to help them get up to par. These guys truly care but with 1,000,000 affiliates you have to undertand they are swamped. They are hiring and training like crazy down there, so things will smooth out soon.37 minutes ago · Like · 1
ZR is so technically inept they'd have a hard time running a lemonade stand (but they seem to have a flair for handing out Kool-Aid). No wonder the private support forum is down and the ZR News site hasn't been updated in a week, their lies are stretched to the breaking point.
So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.
Open up your heart...
Welcome to RealScam.com.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Still waiting for Troy Dooly's response... ;)
PHEW !!
Relax everybody.
It's only a minor staffing problem:
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Never fear, Uncle Paul is here:
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