Thread: Kirk Theakston of MyGoldValt is back to scam again...

Originally Posted by kirklin

Hello okosh and members of realscam forum

well i wish i could say its nice to be here but it looks like i am entering a place where i am definitely not liked much. Seems like you people got quite the roast going on here and i am the main coarse. This is the kind of things i never wanted to read about me. Looks like i am hung by judge and jury here. I will try my best to fix this with my side of the story but it looks like a lost cause. I will still try. I will start with the first post and work my way to the last to see what i can say in my defense not that it will do much the damage is done by the reading i have done so far. Well here i go back to the first post to see what can be done.

G'day Kirk and welcome

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

I believe that Kirk came unstuck when he employed Matt and Sydney and I told him so almost every day as we used to SKYPE each other regularly. If he would tell the truth and stop trying to protect these two along with "cookie keener" and a mystery man "andrew" whom I believe was non other than "Terry the W-A-N-K-E-R, he could do himself a great deal of good.

Kirk became unstuck when he thought that the 2nd failed site he started would end any different to the first....And when he thought that the 3rd failed site would be any different to the first 2....
And so on till the 7th failed site that ended just like the first 6

Come on Kirk. You have the chance to tell us what happened. Why on earth did you speak out against Smirnow on April 30th 2008 and then suggest that Smirnow's fake CEO Paul may have a point of view. You know that there was no such person as Paul. How much did Terry The ****** pay you to make out that Paul existed?

Any info Kirk can provide on Terry the ****** or Mutt or Nick Smirnow or Kent Black or Bobby Krimm or Jake "the snake" Amadee or whoever will all be interesting reading and proof of what I have known all along that an "Oval Office" exists within the scam industry....
Members of the "oval Office"(some named above) are the ones with the inside info on many of the scams....They use the info to line their pockets with the money from the dumb shmucks who post "I got paid" at TG and MMG....

In other words they play with an unfair advantage over regular players.....

Originally Posted by littleroundman

For goodness' sakes, Judy, get a grip, girl.

All this "poor Kirk" B/S you're spreading around is sickening.

I'm beginning to think you really ARE delusional or a HYIP shill in disguise.

There IS no legitimate autosurf and never has been.

There is NO SUCH THING as a legitimate HYIP

It's ALL illegal and it's ALL fraud.

For chrissakes, woman, wake up.

None of it is nice, respectable, God fearing folk having a punt, as you like to portray the "scene"

You might as well be out there telling people Tony Soprano is a loving father and his crew are just a bunch of misunderstood practical jokers.

Ignorance is one thing, but deliberate and willful ignorance in the face of overwhelming evidence is a whole different ball game.

What is worse and apparent now, is the lack of a conscience, morals, and ethics. Why would anyone who possesses these traits go into the "business" of running and promtting such immoral scams in the first place? What the hell is wrong with people? It never dawns on them after the x number of scams and con games to stop? No, they just keep on going as long as they can make a dubious buck and screw the participants.

Then when their feet are finally held to the fire, all you see is finger pointing, blaming partners and others. But this happened, and everything was going along fine til such and such happened, and I didn't know such and such and more. Bullshit! NO accountability, NO responsibility and NO remorse whatsoever for all the thousands of people who were ripped off and all the damage that has been done to their lives.

I am so happy to see a scammer finally get ripped off themselves from another scammer!!! That's Karma baby!!! Get a damn job. Earn an honest living. Have an honest business. Is that too much to ask? Contribute to society and benefit it instead of spending your life trying to figure out how to cheat and steal from others!

What is even more reprehensible is CashTanker was promoted under the veil of being a "Christian" program! How damn low can a person sink when they use religion as a way to bilk people? Using Jesus and God to scam people! That's just wonderful! Ponzi city! You can put a dress, a wig and all the lipstick you want to on a pig, but in the end it's still a damn pig!

This b.s. is just so pathetic. Grow a pair and do the right thing for once in your life and live like an honest man! I am up to here with the whining, the excuses and the pity party. Three year olds do a better job of covering their butts when they are caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

"So I ask you this: Would you like to see me, an honest admin, come back to the industry, and reopen mygoldvault to offer members once again a chance to earn some real revenue generated money?"

The above statement by you, is the ONLY real reason that you are here, because you still want to continue in your immoral ripoffs and scams and you think you can clear your name? Good luck with that, pal. How stupid do you think people are? Sadly there are some who will trust you and again get screwed. Are you just addicted and so twisted that you cannot help yourself from engineering these scams or what? If that is the case, get some professional help. Just how greedy are you? And don't feed us any b.s. about wanting to help others tripe. If you truly want to help others, (and not to their pocketbooks, for a change) donate your time and honestly earned money to legit orangizations and charities. I'll be glad to list a hundred of them for you.

You have no business playing and screwing around with anyone's life or their money! Where on earth did you get the idea that you ever did? Your behavior is just beyond shameful and disgusting!

So far, Kirk, we've seen you:

a) lay blame
b) justify
c) rationalize

the fact you've actively promoted, participated in, profited from a series of highly illegal and immoral frauds.

What we HAVEN'T seen is you accepting responsibility for the fact you have done so willingly and intentionally.

No matter how you cut it and no matter how you attempt to turn it into some sort of bad soap opera, autosurfs and HYIPs are both illegal and unsustainable.

What's even worse, for all the "Days of Our Lives" drivel you spout, you're doing it again.

Get it straight, "autosurfs" don't work.

You simply CANNOT run an "autosurf" in which people don't lose money.

And, you simply CANNOT prevent the disabled and fixed income people you claim to be "helping" from losing money.

You have NO WAY of separating the players from the genuine believers.

All the rest of the stuff and nonsense you're spouting is complete and utter crap.

What you did and continue to do is illegal, immoral and criminal.

The fact you even ATTEMPT to use disabled and fixed income victims to justify your actions makes it even more reprehensible.

From the always astute, always spot on and brilliant, Mr. Patrick Pretty:

EDITORIAL: ASD By The Numbers: Why America And The World Should Be Shocked — And Why Serial Autosurf And HYIP Promoters Should Be Prosecuted

ASD By The Numbers: Why America And The World Should Be Shocked — And Why Serial Autosurf And HYIP Promoters Should Be Prosecuted

UPDATED 12:04 P.M. ET (U.S.A.) "In court filings this week in the AdSurfDaily autosurf Ponzi scheme case, federal prosecutors in the District of Columbia revealed a series of jaw-dropping numbers. The biggest of these is 500,000 — the number of pages of emails gleaned so far in the investigation, which began in July 2008.

Because prosecutors put the qualifier “at least” on the already-staggering number, it is clear the number actually could increase. Each of the pages is subject to the discovery process, meaning that attorneys from both sides and perhaps the court itself faces the monumental challenge of sifting through at least half a million pages of scheme-related correspondence.

Other big numbers in the alleged $110 million ASD Ponzi include 100,000, the number of pages of bank records, and 5,000, the number of pages of documents that emerged after the U.S. Secret Service searched ASD’s office in Quincy, Fla., and the home of company president Andy Bowdoin.

To date, investigators have identified 40,000 potential ASD victims. This number also could grow because there is reason to believe that “there may be members who provided funds to ASD but whose information ASD did not enter into its database,” according to prosecutors.

ASD’s database included information on 97,000 members. Some participants have claimed ASD actually had 120,000 members. Regardless of the final number that emerges, ASD created victims by the tens of thousands, including victims who do not live in the United States, prosecutors said.

The import — and the danger of these numbers — is that ASD is only one autosurf. There may be hundreds if not thousands of autosurfs operating in the world at any one time, along with hundreds or thousands of HYIPs. Like other autosurfs and HYIPs, ASD was promoted on Ponzi forums such as TalkGold, MoneyMakerGroup and ASA Monitor. The Ponzi pitchmen love American money, and commission-grubbing American salespeople and serial promoters who play dumb to line their pockets at the expense of their fellow countrymen specialize in spreading the misery globally.

In May, the PP Blog reported on criminal charges filed against Nicholas Smirnow, the alleged operator of the Pathway to Prosperity (P2P) Ponzi and HYIP scheme. The numbers that have emerged from that alleged scheme are equally stunning: $70 million fleeced from 40,000 victims in 120 countries from “all of the permanently inhabited continents of the world,” according to the U.S. Postal Inspection Service.

The criminal complaint filed against Smirnow specifically references the TalkGold, MoneyMakerGroup and ASA Monitor Ponzi forums — the same forums from which ASD and countless other schemes have been promoted.

Legisi, yet another alleged scheme pitched at the forums, also produced some big numbers. Among them are $72.6 million fleeced from at least 3,000 victims. Matthew Gagnon, one Legisi pitchman, netted $3.8 million alone from the scheme, according to the SEC.

So, in just the three alleged schemes referenced in this column — ASD, P2P and Legisi — the numbers shape up like this: at least $252.6 million gathered from at least 83,000 victims. If the P2P and Legisi cases are shaping up like the ASD case from the standpoint of paper production, investigators, attorneys from both sides and the courts may have to go through more than a million pages of documents and corresponding bank records to make sense of it all.

Meanwhile, the wink-nod, serial promoters continue to ply their trade on the Ponzi boards — all while the U.S. and world economies are trying to navigate the choppiest waters since the Great Depression. While the serial promoters are lining their pockets at the expense of Moms and Pops from virtually every corner of the earth, they are anticipating the danger signs consistent with the implosion of their currently favorite Ponzi — and they are preparing their next round of lies to protect their illicit profit pipeline and explain away the problems that inevitably will emerge.

Some of the professional criminals will tell their marks that it is their duty to be patient when Ponzi payments slow down. They’ll add that problems affect all enterprises regardless of size, and that it’s not unusual for payment bottlenecks to occur. They’ll explain that it likely is a problem with software or the need to acquire a new server to accommodate traffic. After all, they’ll say, “growing pains” are something to celebrate because they signal the success of the enterprise.

And the serial criminals also will talk about a doubting recruit’s duty to be loyal to the enterprise. After all, they’ll explain, the company is doing the right thing by acquiring the equipment and manpower needed to streamline operations and thus return to a normal payout schedule.

While the professional Ponzi criminals are explaining all of this, investors will become further separated from their money before the final round of excuse-making begins. Investors will be cautioned not to contact the authorities and told not to contact the payment processors. After all, the serial pitchmen will explain, if the authorities seize the cash or if the payment processors freeze the accounts, no one will get paid.

When the scheme ultimately collapses, some of the serial criminals will shrug their shoulders and feign surprise. They’ll explain why they had every reason to believe that this one was different, that they’d been assured by the Christian operator it was different. No matter, they’ll say, perhaps positioning themselves as people of faith. Recruits who invested more than they could afford to lose have only themselves to blame, they’ll claim. (This is if they call it “investing” at all; many serial criminals avoid that word like the plague. After all of these years and all of this Bible-thumping, they still apparently believe that it’s possible to skirt securities laws by avoiding the word “investment” and calling it something else.)

Then they’ll unapologetically move on to the next scam. After all, they’ll explain, they have a right to make a living. Some of them will explain that the government, which refuses to see the beauty of the autosurf and HYIP models, is to blame. Along the way they’ll create some clone promoters, and the clones will multiply. The clones will add to the purported, pro-Bible (and antigovernment chorus) — and before long, investigators trying to reverse-engineer a single case will be sifting through 500,000 pages of emails, 100,000 pages of bank records and 5,000 pages of records created as the result of the execution of a search warrant or as a result of actual documents seized.

Agents then will begin the mind-numbing and time-consuming process of identifying victims by the tens of thousands.

Some of the victims will lose their homes because they borrowed against their equity to take advantage of “bonus” ad packs and to maximize their “earnings” through “compounding.” Others will have lost savings set aside to educate their children. Still others will have lost their life savings and money set aside for retirement.

Many of the people who created all the pain will sprint back to the Ponzi forums — and the government will be left to clean up the colossal mess. The Ponzi pitchfest is in constant motion as property values decline in neighborhood after neighborhood, driven by the foreclosures glut. The Stepfords among the promoters will write their Congressman or Senator or perhaps the Inspector General at the Justice Department.

They’ll more or less say that it would be in the interests of America if the Congressman or Senator or Inspector General would see fit to fire all the prosecutors and agents who made these unseemly events occur.

And then they’ll gather up their lists of suckers and try to recruit them into yet-another MLM, autosurf or HYIP nightmare. This they will call “freedom.” Some of them will be angry. Some of them will write rambling diatribes on forums. Invective will be part of the diatribes. Some of them will call public officials “Nazis” and “Socialists,” perhaps even in the same fractured paragraph. Some of them even will try to sue the government or have the prosecutors and judges charged with crimes. They’ll talk about “treason” and high crimes against the Constitution.

What they will never do is make any sense.

It is impossible to imagine that any government agency has the resources to take down all of the corrupt MLMs, autosurfs and HYIPs. But one can imagine a systematic process by which the government identifies the serial promoters and plans a litigation strategy from which will emerge the “shot heard round the world” of corrupt online investment “opportunities.”

That day cannot come soon enough — and the numbers demand it: more than $250 million gathered from victims of just the three alleged schemes referenced on this page, perhaps 1 million or more emails and other documents produced by the investigations, at least 83,000 victims from virtually all corners of the earth, an untold number of agents/investigators from multiple government entities forced to sift though monumental piles of evidence.

It is clear that wealth is being drained by the billions. It is equally clear that vast sums of money have gone missing in the Age of Terrorism.

Clearest of all, however, is that the corrupt MLMs, autosurfs and HYIPs cannot thrive without their greedy and dangerous promoters — and that highly public lawsuits and early morning raids designed to hold the wink-nod Ponzi pitchmen accountable would send an unmistakable message that pain is in your future if you promote these criminally toxic businesses. Serial promoters deserve the same treatment as mid-level drug dealers.

No economy can thrive if a single case among thousands of potential cases is producing 500,000 pages of emails and creating 40,000 victims while consuming tens of millions of dollars — and if “shell companies,” the “shadow banking system” and wink-nod, serial promoters are driving the wanton criminality and letting the cancers metastasize globally.

Here’s hoping such an operation aimed specifically at corrupt MLMs, autosurfs and HYIPs already is under way."

[QUOTE=path2prosperity;6890]I gave Kirk my support and I have never tried to deny it. I tried to get him to tell the truth in a community which I thought would give him a fair hearing.

I have discovered that Adlandpro is corrupt to the core and I am delighted that members here are looking for evidence in that cesspit.

Let is hope that more people start searching Adlandpro to dig up dirt.

Originally Posted by kirklin

and i feel like a heal for losing what i thought was going to be a good friend. Attachment 144

Yeah I am sure you lost sleep over that and the rest of your continued bad behavior! How the hell do you live with yourself? How do you even manage to look yourself in the mirror every morning?

Originally Posted by littleroundman

So far, Kirk, we've seen you:

a) lay blame
b) justify
c) rationalize

the fact you've actively promoted, participated in, profited from a series of highly illegal and immoral frauds.

What we HAVEN'T seen is you accepting responsibility for the fact you have done so willingly and intentionally.

No matter how you cut it and no matter how you attempt to turn it into some sort of bad soap opera, autosurfs and HYIPs are both illegal and unsustainable.

What's even worse, for all the "Days of Our Lives" drivel you spout, you're doing it again.

Get it straight, "autosurfs" don't work.

You simply CANNOT run an "autosurf" in which people don't lose money.

And, you simply CANNOT prevent the disabled and fixed income people you claim to be "helping" from losing money.

You have NO WAY of separating the players from the genuine believers.

All the rest of the stuff and nonsense you're spouting is complete and utter crap.

What you did and continue to do is illegal, immoral and criminal.

The fact you even ATTEMPT to use disabled and fixed income victims to justify your actions makes it even more reprehensible.

It's beyond pathetic isn't it? But then did anyone really expect anything else? I know I sure as hell did not and thus far I have not been disappointed!

Ok i am done here enough is enough as you say i am scammer and will not open any kind of opportunity for anyone else. okosh i guess you can still call me a scammer i proved nothing. sorry to waste your time. I will take down the poll and let the domain die out this month you succeeded in stopping another scammer. Now go get that damm Matt

Opportunity my ass! Get some help. I am serious about this, because you really need it, son. You only have one life to live on this planet. Is this seriously how you want to be remembered? Is this something that any family can be proud of? Is this going to be your legacy to others? You need to do some serious and realistic soul searching. If not, I hope you are put in jail sooner rather than later.

At the risk of being accused of repeating myself, society really DOES need to adjust to the fact there's a whole sub strata of people in existence who firmly believe none of societies' rules and norms apply to them.

Kirk is a perfect example of what happens when "we" becomes "me" and what "I" want is what "I" get, and screw everyone else

Originally Posted by littleroundman

At the risk of being accused of repeating myself, society really DOES need to adjust to the fact there's a whole sub strata of people in existence who firmly believe none of societies' rules and norms apply to them.

Kirk is a perfect example of what happens when "we" becomes "me" and what "I" want is what "I" get, and screw everyone else

Isn't that the true characteristic of a Sociopath? Fits very well, doesn't it? It is amazing to me just how deep denial can be in an individual. That and how they will say and do anything to hide from facing the truth of what they really are, what they have become and what they have done. Very sad. When you cannot even manage to take that specific first step, there really is no hope.

Originally Posted by kirklin

Ok i am done here enough is enough as you say i am scammer and will not open any kind of opportunity for anyone else. okosh i guess you can still call me a scammer i proved nothing. sorry to waste your time. I will take down the poll and let the domain die out this month you succeeded in stopping another scammer. Now go get that damm Matt

Thanks Kirk....Always a pleasure to add another notch on my six shooter....Will put this one right up there along side Faith Sloan

The reality here Kirk is that you are being given the chance to tell your side....
You have chosen not to but rather you have chosen to run....

The folks here at real scam have given you a fair go and I do appreciate that they were nice to you and kept the debate civil....Sure both sides did not agree but at least it was civil discussion

Most of all I am estatic to hear that there will be no goldvault2....This is indeed great news and I applaud you for making this decision....

Hope you can now concetrate on your real business and leave the scam industry to the past....

Best wishes to you Kirk

Originally Posted by okosh

Thanks Kirk....Always a pleasure to add another notch on my six shooter....Will put this one right up there along side Faith Sloan

The reality here Kirk is that you are being given the chance to tell your side....
You have chosen not to but rather you have chosen to run....

The folks here at real scam have given you a fair go and I do appreciate that they were nice to you and kept the debate civil....Sure both sides did not agree but at least it was civil discussion

Most of all I am estatic to hear that there will be no goldvault2....This is indeed great news and I applaud you for making this decision....

Hope you can now concetrate on your real business and leave the scam industry to the past....

Best wishes to you Kirk

I guess it was civil but it is senseless everything i say has no relevance and i have issues. So i will go away as you suggested and work my company.
cheers
no really

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

Isn't that the true characteristic of a Sociopath? Fits very well, doesn't it?

Therein lies the problem, IM(very)HO,

For many, it's completely "normal" behaviour,

IOW, what would in the past have been considered abnormal "sociopathic" behaviour is now so widespread it's become a whole self centered way of life for an increasing amount of people.

The fact we now casually refer to a 'ME" generation shows how widespread such behaviour has become.

Originally Posted by okosh

Most of all I am estatic to hear that there will be no goldvault2....This is indeed great news and I applaud you for making this decision....

Hope you can now concetrate on your real business and leave the scam industry to the past....

Best wishes to you Kirk

The best news of all, is that "cookie keener" has suffered a severe set back.

Coincidental to my comments above, THIS article appeared online today:
id.

New generation infected by narcissism, says psychologist

AN ''EPIDEMIC of narcissism'' has swept across the student population in the past 30 years, a US expert will tell a conference on personality disorders in Melbourne today.

Jean Twenge, professor of psychology at San Diego State University, said a study she conducted of 16,000 university students across the US showed 30 per cent were narcissistic in psychological tests, compared with 15 per cent in 1982. ''They are all 18 and 19-year-olds, so this is clearly a generational shift,'' she said

The full article is also posted here on REALSCAM.com

Originally Posted by littleroundman

So far, Kirk, we've seen you:

a) lay blame
b) justify
c) rationalize

the fact you've actively promoted, participated in, profited from a series of highly illegal and immoral frauds.

What we HAVEN'T seen is you accepting responsibility for the fact you have done so willingly and intentionally.

No matter how you cut it and no matter how you attempt to turn it into some sort of bad soap opera, autosurfs and HYIPs are both illegal and unsustainable.

What's even worse, for all the "Days of Our Lives" drivel you spout, you're doing it again.

Get it straight, "autosurfs" don't work.

You simply CANNOT run an "autosurf" in which people don't lose money.

And, you simply CANNOT prevent the disabled and fixed income people you claim to be "helping" from losing money.

You have NO WAY of separating the players from the genuine believers. (My emphasis)

All the rest of the stuff and nonsense you're spouting is complete and utter crap.

What you did and continue to do is illegal, immoral and criminal.

The fact you even ATTEMPT to use disabled and fixed income victims to justify your actions makes it even more reprehensible.

PLUS

At the risk of being accused of repeating myself, society really DOES need to adjust to the fact there's a whole sub strata of people in existence who firmly believe none of societies' rules and norms apply to them.

At the risk of repeating YOU........ with special emphasis on your comment on the impossibility of separating players from believers, for anyone who STILL thinks autosurfs have ever been harmless games.

Another note should be added on the likelihood of Okosh's "Oval Table" theory of players who control the whole autosurf industry and other online frauds. Patrick Pretty calls them steroidal puppeteers, but what's in a name?

Originally Posted by okosh

Thanks Kirk....Always a pleasure to add another notch on my six shooter....Will put this one right up there along side Faith Sloan

The reality here Kirk is that you are being given the chance to tell your side....
You have chosen not to but rather you have chosen to run....

The folks here at real scam have given you a fair go and I do appreciate that they were nice to you and kept the debate civil....Sure both sides did not agree but at least it was civil discussion

Most of all I am estatic to hear that there will be no goldvault2....This is indeed great news and I applaud you for making this decision....

Hope you can now concetrate on your real business and leave the scam industry to the past....

Best wishes to you Kirk

Ok, i just had to register and post.

wow. Civil? lol. i suppose it was, until someone attacked. Calling names etc... started to get nasty... how would you respond? stick it out? maybe... just give in, and walk away. I would have. anyhow....

a few points.

I would think i would be one that ppl would want to talk to about all of this. (some, not all i suppose)

I had previously bought a surfsite (2 actually) from someone else. Which later i woke up and realized i was taken...but was a good lesson. after a year or so
I opened up one of the surf sites. (legit....contrary to what some of you think about autosurfs...i had a real plan. Money is used to buy items to sell on parade routes, and carnivals/festivals. I have contacts in this all over-big ones... (own some carnival stuff, contact me i can fill your warehouse, etc. ) lol sry, plug there. lol.
(my site, due to the previous owners ....skill? (i bought into the 'sickness' part of the deal..sigh, the sites name had a not so great reputation, before i opened. So only a few members joined. not enough to cover the first months server cost lol, let alone the scripts etc. Soon as the (3?) months were ending on the few upgrades, (i had prepaid for...3 or 6 i forget) I turned off the upgrades, waiting for the plans to end, then paid them out.
(funny part: one of the upgraders turned out to be the PREVIOUS admins... go figure.)

anyhow, I know i was doing it legit. Can i prove it? Not totally. (i can show receipts of what i bought, etc. and permits for where i sold it, etc...if thats proof?)

anyhow (that was just background for me, now on to.....)

at this time, im a member of mgv, i knew sidney in mcf forums, and matts a mod..later on
after the sydney thing, when cookie was the only US seller, and she wasnt doing too well. (i think she was scamming the customers on ebay etc, and got blacklisted)

I put a large sum into mygoldvault (well, to me it was) but it wasnt THRU mgv it was direct. to buy items for resale, etc.

Cookie sent me a box or 2 of items, that i was to list, and sell for kirk. (and matt?)

I checked out each item (as i could-being a computer geek)

Sold a few items, wasnt alot of good items in there, but a few. Plan was to have a full load of items sent to me, and i sell it for kirk, and i get % but Cookie f..messed up a few accounts. (i talked to her, i felt that rocks were smarter...sorry if that offends...but twas true) I think i mentioned that to kirk, and later i mentioned a few of the things she said...didnt add up. (eventually, she told me some of the things she was doing to screw kirk. but it wasnt put that way, just... if I dont get this, im doing this..sorta thing.

I told kirk she's a nut, and not to trust her. (but who was I yet ....other than another person owed, im unknown too) not sure if he belived or not. eventually i think he did...but wanted to get the items out of her that were there. (she told me some of the items...it was alot of stuff)

Everything fell apart after that... a load was never bought for me to sell, i was told, anything i had that i could sell, to apply the money toward the debt. (it didnt put a dent in it, to be honest) $100 maybe, forget now i have the spreadsheet on it somewhere.


Anyhow....I think i covered the details, as i know em.

to sum up.


Kirk tries. Trusted the wrong ppl. got burned, and when I arrived, it was just too late. (course, im assuming im a good person, and could have sold the items and helped keep his stuff going)

im i too trusting too? maybe.... but if i talk to him, he responds. doesnt try to hide.
etc.

Im trying to get things moving forward, so a site wouldnt do much good for me now, but I know my stuff is legit, how can you tell me im not? i think the same thing for kirk. He knows his stuff is legit. how can he prove it? well, i hope i just did for you.

course...if i get yelled at like he did, im not gonna bother either lol

if i get stabbed, i bleed (isnt that a quote from something..hm)

anyhow, goodluck on ya, and all that!

gk

I can't comment that much on this for the time being until I get home again, as I am leaving on an overnighter shortly, but tell me....do you pay State, County and Federal taxes on this tripe? Do you have a business license? Do you have a registered corporation with a business name or even a DBA? Do you have separate business accounts? (checking and savings) Do you have any background whatsoever in finances? Do you have a degree in anything financial or any experience with a legit entity? Do you have agreements specifying all the terms with your clients which are drafted up by an attorney and are legal that they must sign and agree to? Do you carry insurance to cover your clients and yourself? Do you have an accountant or a bookkeeper or even any legit bookkeeping records besides a spreadsheet somewheres? Do you pay Sales taxes to the State and County where you run your flopportunities from? Care to comment on why Pay Pal does not allow these scams to use their service?

I love the Kirk tries comment. AGAIN, where in the hell do people get the idea that they have the right to take people's money, make claims and promises to them and then "try" to make this illegal and immoral crap work out? What gives you the notion that this is moral, let alone legal in the first place? Do you even care? I am really curious as to the mindset behind this garbage that makes you feel entitiled to gamble with people's lives and money.

I find it interesting that when scammers are asked legit questions, they consider that being yelled at and they flee like the cowards that they are, because they have no legit answers to those questions. Then comes the whining and the b.s. excuses. Again, what in the world gives you the go ahead green light in your mind and the ability to run these programs and play around with people's money and their lives? I'd really like to know. It's always the same b.s. I trusted the wrong people. Does it never dawn on you that the wrong people are exactly who start and run these programs in the first place? Therefore, being involved with them at some point should come as no surprise to anyone.

I really also love can I prove it, BUT - not totally? LMAO! WTF does that mean? I can totally prove that the service which I provide is 100% legit, yet none of you scammers can. Why is that? An entity is either legit or it isn't. PERIOD. It's not sort of legit or sort of provable. Get real. All people (consumers) deserve to be protected and actually get what they pay for. But not in your "business". Why is that?

Everything falls apart. Big surprise. ALL of these scams fall apart sooner rather than later. ALL OF THEM! Why is that?

Interesting that you claim if you are stabbed that you bleed, but what about all the victims of these scams? Their blood is on your hands and the hands of every scammer out there on the net. Guess that doesn't matter however. It's all about you, afterall and what you want and need.

Any person who has honor, self-respect and knows they are right and has ethics, morals and a conscience would stay and defend themselves, actually and would have the proof to back up their claims. But when facing that what has been said about them, which is the truth and the facts and not the b.s. bogus statements that they have claimed.......they flee. What else can they do? Continue to lie, rationalize, deflect and lamely try to justify? Again this is no surprise to any of us. Seen it a thousand times.

Seems this is the first scammer and criminal to register at real scam. Thanks for that Kirk. Most dont have the go nads or they are not a stupid as you. I dont know much about you but the last few pages have been interesting reading for those who dont know you.

You simply CANNOT run an "autosurf" in which people don't lose money.

This is the bottom line posted by LRM. You can not run a ponzi and not hurt people. I hope you get hit by a truck going to your mail box. Your kind deserves the worst mankind can deliver to you. Dont come in here and try to BS us you crook. This is not Talk Scam and the mods here dont like your kind. If you think you can BS somebody here you have thought wrong.

What is worse, is how addicted, removed emotionally and psychologically and blind these scammers actually are. They cannot recoginze their own behavior. They have no conscience whatsoever and are truly deluded.

"I have contacts in this all over-big ones... (own some carnival stuff, contact me i can fill your warehouse, etc. ) lol sry, plug there. lol."

The newest conman to grace our forum, thinks this is allowed on here and even funny. That is truly delusional and pathetic. They have free reign of the internet and forums such as Scam, TalkGold and Adland so they try and pull the same stunts here and think it's acceptable.

Looking for marks at every given moment of the day. What a way to spend your pitiable, desperate and unfullfilled life. Cripes!

LAL, I hear you.

They have free reign of the internet and forums such as Scam, TalkGold and Adland

They dang sure dont have it here. Welcome to reality Kirk. If you want to try to pass the sniff test post it at real scam. There are so many scam busters here it makes my head spin.

These people are worse than sick. They are nothing but thieves imo and total scumbags. I would love to get my hands on one of them just once. They are no different than a guy breaking into your house and stealing your TV set. I would love to pop a cap in one of them but that would be too good. A big slug in the knee would be better so we could watch them in pain. If your a scammer in TExas becareful because those people down there shoot and ask questions later. Laidback will appreciate that.

Kirk, you picked the wrong forum to promote your BS I am afraid. YOu are a piece of trash and need to be locked up. I had to delete what I also thought of you. It was inappropriate even for this forum.

[QUOTE=Eddie Haskell;7004]LAL, I hear you.

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They dang sure dont have it here. Welcome to reality Kirk. If you want to try to pass the sniff test post it at real scam. There are so many scam busters here it makes my head spin.

These people are worse than sick. They are nothing but thieves imo and total scumbags. I would love to get my hands on one of them just once. They are no different than a guy breaking into your house and stealing your TV set. I would love to pop a cap in one of them but that would be too good. A big slug in the knee would be better so we could watch them in pain. If your a scammer in TExas becareful because those people down there shoot and ask questions later. Laidback will appreciate that.

Kirk, you picked the wrong forum to promote your BS I am afraid. YOu are a piece of trash and need to be locked up. I had to delete what I also thought of you. It was inappropriate even for this forum.

LOL, I'm thinking just a wee bit higher so they don't reproduce...!

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Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell

LAL, I hear you.


LOL, I'm thinking just a wee bit higher so they don't reproduce...!

Not a bad idea LB. I know you and I share some conserative ideas but dont always agree. I cant say what I really think even here but anything bad that happens to a scammer is a big plus. Getting hit by a bus may be too good for the them. I hope for a more painful drawn out death. Thats how bad I hate these bastards.