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Thread: The People's Program - Part 2

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    Re: The People's Program - Part 2

    John Trickle is the inviter wealthagent of the Peoples Program illegal cash gifting scheme



    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Re: The People's Program - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins

    Richard Gorton is the inviter
    dragonactor in the Peoples Program illegal cash gifting scheme



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    Richard Gortons' rick-gorton profile page on LinkedIn

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    Re: The People's Program - Part 2


    Vierge Martin is the inviter
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    Re: The People's Program - Part 2

    Another long-time tax fraudster under the "gifting" claims has been sighted still at it.

    Robert Tramontano (a.k.a. "Robert Stacker")

    696 Arlington Ave.,
    Baldwin, NY 11510

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    "CLICK HERE" TO DOWNLOAD THE GIFTING STATEMENT.
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    Re: The People's Program - Part 2

    Kenric Rush

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    (in 2013)
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    (in 2012?)
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    Re: The People's Program - Part 2

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Re: The People's Program - Part 2

    It makes one wonder how these scammers can look at themselves in the mirror.

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    Re: The People's Program - Part 2

    There is a lot of name calling and hate on this thread by ProfHenryHiggins, constantly calling people fools and being all around disrespectful. I understand if those posting are having a discussion if something is a scam or not a scam but this thread goes beyond a discussion and is merely a lot of bullying.

    According to Forum Rules this thread is breaking at least these 4 rules and I think some others but at least these 4.

    1: Don't be a Jerk. You must be thirteen years of age or older, and be able to act like it in order to post on our forums.

    4: Do not put your full name, address or phone number on the site.

    8: Full names of folks that relate to the topics being discussed are welcome. Do not go to Zabasearch, Whitepages etc. and post the addresses and telephone numbers or other personal information of anyone.

    9: Do not hit below the belt. Personal information that does not relate to business acumen, financial success, education, ethics, training and the like is off limits.

    It is unprofessional to post people's addresses and personal/sensitive information even if a lot of it may be public information, it is not right to throw that information out there when you don't even know for sure if those you are accusing are the correct people's information. And some of the information may not be public. Some may be correct and other personal information may be incorrect and belong to someone else with the same name. Either way, why can't you professionally discuss without stalking and harassing people?

    This entire thread is of a stalker bullying and harassing others.
    Last edited by MisterWilkins; 02-08-2014 at 09:03 PM. Reason: Adding more detail about forum rules/spam.

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    Re: The People's Program - Part 2

    Welcome to REALSCAM.com MisterWilkins

    You don't find it a tiny bit ironic you that you've come into someone elses' forum for the first time and started quoting rules and regulations as if the posters to whom you refer may be unaware of their existence ??

    What is stranger is that your final paragraph is filled with "if" "may" "may not" or "you don't even know for sure"

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterWilkins
    It is unprofessional to post people's addresses and personal/sensitive information even if a lot of it may be public information, it is not right to throw that information out there when you don't even know for sure if those you are accusing are the correct people's information. And some of the information may not be public. Some may be correct and other personal information may be incorrect and belong to someone else with the same name. Either way, why can't you professionally discuss without stalking and harassing people?
    If you have examples where any of the information does NOT pertain to the person or persons being discussed or has been obtained illegally and not by simply linking publicly available information of following a trail left by the person/s under discussion, we will gladly remove such information willingly.

    On the other hand, as so often happens, people are posting their own identifiable information in an effort to add some credibility to their illegal cash gifting or fraud promotion activities while simultaneously doing the same for "legitimate" purposes, blame Mr Google if others make (and publicize) the connection/s
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Re: The People's Program - Part 2

    MisterWilkins, allow me to correct some of your misunderstandings.

    1. I am quite capable of discussing things in a mature manner. If my postings come off to you as those of a jerk or a bully, consider that I may not be from the same cultural background you are.

    4. I have not put my real name or details on the site. I have placed those of other people.

    8. I have no need of Zabasearch, and only use Whitepages to confirm details I have acquired elsewhere. As you may note, many of the entries include the public WHOIS data from a person's website, providing correlation with the illegal & unethical activities they have been found to be involved with.

    9. I attempt to avoid going below the belt, not generally posting information about family members uninvolved with the scams in question. I do, however, provide other websites used by the person in question as support for their identity.


    Now, if I have erred in identifying someone, such as happened with two ladies of the same name involved in a particular scam some months ago, feel free to point out my mistakes and I will likely issue an apology as I did in that instance.
    If you are in Prosper With Integrity, and do not like that your personal information has been published here, please talk to these good people: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov http://www.ic3.gov http://www.fbi.gov

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    Re: The People's Program - Part 2

    So the admin of this forum refuse to follow their own rules? So who is scamming who?

    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Welcome to REALSCAM.com MisterWilkins

    You don't find it a tiny bit ironic you that you've come into someone elses' forum for the first time and started quoting rules and regulations as if the posters to whom you refer may be unaware of their existence ??

    What is stranger is that your final paragraph is filled with "if" "may" "may not" or "you don't even know for sure"



    If you have examples where any of the information does NOT pertain to the person or persons being discussed or has been obtained illegally and not by simply linking publicly available information of following a trail left by the person/s under discussion, we will gladly remove such information willingly.

    On the other hand, as so often happens, people are posting their own identifiable information in an effort to add some credibility to their illegal cash gifting or fraud promotion activities while simultaneously doing the same for "legitimate" purposes, blame Mr Google if others make (and publicize) the connection/s

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    Re: The People's Program - Part 2

    O my god, pyramid pushers/scammers think they been treated unfairly ?
    All information here is what they themselves pimp for the whole world to see, we just help them out to spread their word way more far :)

    If anything they should pay for advertisement.


    Wilkins, if you think someone was doxed by mistake , speak out who, here are reasonable people.


    If not , go to the damn court, courts have own ways to figure out who was doing exactly what and who was treated unfairly.

    The purpose of the forum to expose crimes and people involved, are you implying someone suppose to withhold or remove information
    he knows on a crime in progress ?
    Last edited by NikSam; 02-09-2014 at 12:58 AM.

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    Re: The People's Program - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterWilkins View Post
    So the admin of this forum refuse to follow their own rules? So who is scamming who?
    Our rules = our decision as to how to interpret those rules.

    I'll make the offer again:

    * If you know of any misleading, inaccurate or illegally obtained information in this, or any other thread on REALSCAM.com you are completely at liberty to inform us and it will be removed forthwith.

    HOWEVER,

    if said information has been REproduced here from information obtained legally from the 'net, I would remind you: "what goes on the 'net, stays on the 'net"

    Otherwise, we are going to continue to believe little, if any, of the involvement with illegal cash gifting is either inadvertent or accidental.

    The days where it was possible to promote illegal cash gifting schemes online with little or no risk of being exposed or it having an effect on someones' offline world disappeared long ago.
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Re: The People's Program - Part 2

    8: Full names of folks that relate to the topics being discussed are welcome. Do not go to Zabasearch, Whitepages etc. and post the addresses and telephone numbers or other personal information of anyone.

    Notice that this rule number 8 is noting sites such as Zabasearch and Whitepages as examples and also notes "etc." to illustrate to: "Do not" ... "post the addresses and telephone numbers or other personal information of anyone."

    Yet, that is exactly what you guys are doing. You are breaking your own rules.

    I am all for the 1st amendment, which is free speech, but I am also for the 4th amendment which is the right to privacy. You can discuss cash gifting programs and if you have any proof of someone actually getting scammed, it's a good idea to post that proof to protect others.

    But you guys are not respecting people's rights to privacy as per the 4th amendment. And you haven't posted any proof of anyone getting scammed.

    You guys are nothing more than bullies and spammers. When you post the addresses and phone numbers of people on here, that information is harvested by spammers and then those phone numbers and emails and addresses get bombarded with spam and junk mail.

    A lot of the people you have listed here are decent, honest, good people who are decent and honest to those they interact with. And sometimes some of these people you have listed here change their minds and decide cash gifting isn't for them and they change directions. For you guys to be calling everyone of them scammers is wrong and to post their personal contact information for the spammers to harvest is wrong.

    A lot of people who joined cash gifting programs changed their minds shortly after and never received one cash gift themselves but the next thing they know, their information is being plastered over the internet and they're being called a scammer when they stopped before they even got started.

    The decent thing to do would be to talk about the program and leave the people who participated in it for a short time out. Then when you get solid proof of a crime being committed you can post that proof to warn others.

    And if anyone was actually scammed which would mean that they had their money stolen or they were lied to, then that person who was robbed or lied to can easily find the contact information of the person who stole from them especially since some, if not all contact information, would have been given to the person who was stolen from in the first place in order for the victim to send a cash gift to the thief.

    But when someone is not lied to and they send a cash gift of their own free will or choice, no scam or crime or theft has been committed.

    And if not all contact information was given, it can easily be found on their own, without the help of a spammy forum. And they can report any crimes easily at Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Home. This is something I did myself.

    And I see that this forum is run by Vbulletin forum software and when I look at vBulletin Terms and Condidtions it says, "You represent and warrant that... (ii) the Posting of your content does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights or any other rights of any person."

    Posting people's private/personal information on the web where it was not intended to be placed is violating people's privacy/personal rights and their contract rights. If someone has their address and phone number listed in the phone book, that is public information but it is meant for the phone book, that was the agreement or the contract, it's not meant to be put on a website where automatic robots can harvest that information to send spam/junk mail.

    It is the same principle when someone gives you their phone number, they trust you aren't going to go to the internet and post that phone number to the world. It was meant for you, and not for the world.

    You need to be respectful of people's private/personal information.

    And I know you're going to keep bringing up that it's public information which I understand but my point is doing what is right. Just because something is "legal", doesn't mean it's right. The laws of God trump the laws of crafty and cunning and evil men. Would you like it if someone got your address and phone number and emails and posted them to the world for spammers to pick up? No, you wouldn't like that.

    Case in point, there is no way to contact an administrator of this forum. When I click on "Contact Us" it says, "Sorry. The email function has been disabled by the administrator."

    And you wouldn't like it if those who posted your information said that it was ok because it's public information.

    The Golden Rule is the law of the land, treat others how you would like to be treated.

    And since there is no way to contact an administrator of this forum when I click on "Contact Us" then how do we contact an administrator or webmaster?

    Quote Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins View Post
    MisterWilkins, allow me to correct some of your misunderstandings.

    1. I am quite capable of discussing things in a mature manner. If my postings come off to you as those of a jerk or a bully, consider that I may not be from the same cultural background you are.

    4. I have not put my real name or details on the site. I have placed those of other people.

    8. I have no need of Zabasearch, and only use Whitepages to confirm details I have acquired elsewhere. As you may note, many of the entries include the public WHOIS data from a person's website, providing correlation with the illegal & unethical activities they have been found to be involved with.

    9. I attempt to avoid going below the belt, not generally posting information about family members uninvolved with the scams in question. I do, however, provide other websites used by the person in question as support for their identity.


    Now, if I have erred in identifying someone, such as happened with two ladies of the same name involved in a particular scam some months ago, feel free to point out my mistakes and I will likely issue an apology as I did in that instance.

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    Yes, HOW do we inform you? There is no way to contact you.

    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Our rules = our decision as to how to interpret those rules.

    I'll make the offer again:

    * If you know of any misleading, inaccurate or illegally obtained information in this, or any other thread on REALSCAM.com you are completely at liberty to inform us and it will be removed forthwith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Our rules = our decision as to how to interpret those rules.
    Is this not the definition of a scam? You say one thing but do another. You make a rule/law but you are above your own rule/law. That is called misrepresentation/lying.

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    Criminals have no right to privacy, it becomes a citizen duty to expose them

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterWilkins
    You need to be respectful of people's private/personal information.
    We don't NEED to do anything.

    We can CHOOSE to respect peoples' privacy, just as we can CHOOSE to REproduce already available information which people have CHOSEN to attach to illegal activities while attempting to induce others to do likewise.

    There is little or no need for an experienced researcher to use "Zabasearch, Whitepages etc." to find the sort of information included here.

    Mr Google will do it for us, just as it will for anyone who decides to research someone with whom they currently are, or intend in the future to deal with.

    The days of being able to indulge in a little "harmless" illegal cash gifting are gone, as are the days when it was possible to segregate an illegal "online" past time from a legitimate offline life.

    Might we remind you:

    It is illegal to both participate in AND/OR promote cash gifting in every state of the USA and most countries of the world

    respect THAT
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikSam View Post
    Criminals have no right to privacy, it becomes a citizen duty to expose them
    I am going to disagree with the first part of that, Niksam.
    If you are in Prosper With Integrity, and do not like that your personal information has been published here, please talk to these good people: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov http://www.ic3.gov http://www.fbi.gov

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    How ironic, that those you accuse of being scammers give their personal contact information to those they interact with personally. (Contact information not meant to be plastered on a spammy forum without their permission.) Yet, you guys, the admin of this forum, have no way in which anyone can contact you.

    When I click on "Contact Us" it reads, "Sorry. The email function has been disabled by the administrator."

    So I guess, you could post your contact information in a reply to this post for everyone to see can't you?

    But you probably want to keep that personal contact information safe so it doesn't get plastered in places it's not supposed to be without your permission right?

    So why do you guys insist on being treated one way, yet don't treat others in the same way?

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    You are a hypocrite.

    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    We don't NEED to do anything.

    We can CHOOSE to respect peoples' privacy, just as we can CHOOSE to REproduce already available information which people have CHOSEN to attach to illegal activities while attempting to induce others to do likewise.

    There is little or no need for an experienced researcher to use "Zabasearch, Whitepages etc." to find the sort of information included here.

    Mr Google will do it for us, just as it will for anyone who decides to research someone with whom they currently are, or intend in the future to deal with.

    The days of being able to indulge in a little "harmless" illegal cash gifting are gone, as are the days when it was possible to segregate an illegal "online" past time from a legitimate offline life.

    Might we remind you:

    It is illegal to both participate in AND/OR promote cash gifting in every state of the USA and most countries of the world

    respect THAT

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    When I go to: FBI — Common Fraud Schemes

    Not once does it say anywhere that "cash gifting" is a crime or that is is illegal. It talks about pyramid schemes and ponzi schemes but "cash gifting" is not a pyramid or ponzi scheme.

    An example of a ponzi scheme would be social security. The country is broke, there is no more money, only the first generation got paid for social security but the later generations will get nothing. Social Security is a ponzi/pyramid scheme and yet it is "legal". Just because something is "legal" doesn't mean it is right.

    And I see the word "crime" is thrown out a lot on this forum. It is important to define what a crime is. If there is no victim, there is no crime. So can you show me one of the people you have listed in this thread that stole from somebody? Can you produce the proof of one victim?

    You would think that there should be many testimonies of people posting on this forum in this thread of how they were robbed and yet there are none.

    Yet there is proof that the admin of this forum is a liar, that they don't even follow their own rules. So every single participating member of this forum is a victim because every one has been lied to and had their rights of contract and privacy violated.

    I have posted that proof, I posted your own rules and you responded back saying you are above your own rules.

    So when I became a member of this forum and read the rules, I was participating within those rules yet it turns out that those rules aren't followed. That's called a violation of contract rights. Every single person in this forum is a victim.

    This whole thread and forum is discredited. The very forum supposedly identifying scams is run by scammers/liars itself.

    Case in point, I bet I come back to this thread in a few days and all of my posts are deleted to hide their (admin of this forum) crimes so I'm going to start taking screenshots of my posts right now as further proof.

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