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    Re: Trend Sound Promoter

    Here is the link to OLD ORIGINAL TSP CONTRACT:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20130127...nt/project_tsp
    It does not require to refer more people (potential victims) or sell any services.

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    Re: Trend Sound Promoter

    And now it's preserved for posterity here, as well.

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSPvictims View Post
    Here is the link to OLD ORIGINAL TSP CONTRACT:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20130127...nt/project_tsp
    It does not require to refer more people (potential victims) or sell any services.
    To see the Old Original Contract, that does not require to refer more people (potential victims) or sell any services, click on the link, then scroll to the bottom of the page. (It is located below the images) : https://web.archive.org/web/20130127...nt/project_tsp
    Old contract can be used as a proof of dishonesty of TSP.

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    One more feedback from the victim of TSP fraud : http://www.scambook.com/report/view/317899/Trend-Sound-Promoter-Complaint-317899-for-$9,000.00

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    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Dear creditors of TSP,
    if you were not notified or did not submit your claim to bankruptcy court, please do
    (even if you were not on a TSP released creditors list or been told by TSP the deadline has passed )
    You can do it online here: https://ecf.wawb.uscourts.gov/cgi-bi...ilingClaims.pl

    or print out the B10 form and mail it in a traditional way,
    or appearing in person to court's clerk.

    instructions to file (online or mail-in) are here: U.S. Bankruptcy Court - Western District of Washington.

    Please prepare supporting file attachments such as record of sending money to TSP (screenshot or scan of a bank record)
    Screenshot or financial records of money been paid to you, stacked in withdrawals or paid and what your current balance inside of TSP shows.

    TSP case #: 14-13193-MLB

    If you need help , consult some people who already done that or an attorney.

    For russian-english speakers please assist and offer help to people who lacks english language.

    Thank You.

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    Re: Trend Sound Promoter

    I am trying to help a friend who was named as a creditor by TSP and I had 2 quick questions that hopefully someone who has experience with this stuff can answer.

    1) Section 3 of the proof of claim form it asks for the "last 4 digits of any number which the creditor identifies to debtor". What numbers are they asking about here? Is it the bank account number she sent her money to or is it the account number listed next to her name on the bankruptcy form?

    2) What amount is she actually able to claim? Is it just the amount listed on the bankruptcy form or should she claim the amount she paid to buy in? There is about a $500 difference which is not an insignificant amount to her. She never received any payment from TSP if that makes any difference.

    Thanks!

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    1) That number should be last 4 digits of your TSP ID number, that number is used in links to recruit.

    2) Amounts to claim, it is up to you, I cannot make a decision or give the right advice in this:

    A) If you just intend to recover losses it should be (money spent - money received)
    B) If you go along with TSP story, you should claim all the money they "suppose" to pay you (unprocessed withdrawals + account balance)

    I saw some filled A as a priority claim (if conditions met), and B as an unsecured claim,
    but it has to be your decision or consult an attorney, i cannot decide for you on how much you claim.

    In any case, there will not be enough money to satisfy all the claims, it does not mean you would ever receive that sum,
    it is rather needed for court to establish the amount of losses and individuals who wants their money back.

    TSP (debtor) will have a chance to dispute any claim, so be honest

    If you not sure just put a number you believe TSP owes you in "Unsecured amount"
    And attach the evidence of your claim

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    Dear TSP pimps,
    there is no point for you to delete youtube videos or make them private.
    The most interesting been already documented and saved.

    Just causes inconvenience, let at least investigators do their job more effectively, keep them up.

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    Re: Trend Sound Promoter

    Read the latest update on SEC case against TelexFree, you will find a lot of similarities with TSP ponzi.
    http://www.realscam.com/f9/telexfree...html#post71788

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilya View Post
    vkguy22 cause I guess TSP do track of all bad posting or something like that. and about that Nasty you guys suck she is losing house and you send her link to report?!?!?!? WTF send her money help her save her from loosing roof and room n bed. not link to report ... lol yea next time some one ask you something to eat get on computer and send him email with food pic's lol ok Nasty how much? how much you need? and about TYPING CAPS that means you mean it like you mean it same thing as lol, n, jk .....
    Do you think I never saw such "victims", who is loosing their house, getting kicked out of apartment , urgently need to pay for an operation or they die ?

    Do You think people just need to send her $4k she lost ? What lesson will it teach her? - exactly that you can easily get money from ponzi or press on someones feelings.
    I saw one old lady who kept playing russian ponzis non stop, and when she was loosing she was posting crying videos on youtube how she needs an operation, 2 times Ponzi admins even sent her money after the scam :) till she became quite popular :)

    Now lets take a look what our Nastya Sawyer was upto a month after she realized she lost:

    Attachment 7685
    URL: http://vk.com/public48008964


    Quote Originally Posted by Translated
    ... I slowly began to work with other programs, where the pay is a bit less, but I also invest
    Please God , let those programs to continue working.
    In music, I invested a lot, my husband invested, my sister and mom, I recruited friends , sad that I did not get bonuses,
    so what can you do, no need for pity, need to move forward, you will return your money - you will see, if not with music than with others.
    So you see? she was offered help and to do the right thing, she refused - does it look like she is desperate ?
    Till this day she refused to complain, she only threatens TSP that she would if they do not pay her (like TSP cares at this point:) )

    She is quite a HYIP player, but a noisy one.

    PS: she also just lost in Wings Network Ponzi ,which she joined after TSP, do we need to send her money for that too ?
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    she also joined 4freedom.biz scam
    her VK page is more like a HYIP-pimping-pit: Anastasia Sawyer

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    Attachment 7686

    Here is the letter
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    Thanks, Markiz, now i see, it was a court screw up.
    As I heard that letter (dated May 9) was only hitting people's mailboxes on May 19 saying deadline is May 16.
    Judge later (May 12) denied the speedy conversion to chapter 7, perhaps they could not stop the mailing company on time or sent the wrong (outdated) letter.

    Please let everyone know, claims are still being accepted

    (see attached judge order)
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    On tuesday TSP filled the Bank statements in court, amounts as of Apr 30 - DOC49

    The sum of liquid assets ($250k) looks like smaller than in the original application by $50k

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    A Proof of a Ponzi ?

    You can read all the threads here and almost every one at one point has some individuals who jump in and say:
    "There is no definite proof of a ponzi, stop hurting the reputation of the program"

    What will be the definite proof ? as multiple red flags, lies from operators, violations of laws and even actions of authorities are not enough for some of them (there are still ASD and Zeek ponzis deniers , years after prosecutions blindly refuse to see the facts it was a ponzi).

    The golden rule of the definite proof of a ponzi is - "Follow the money".
    So how can you make a ponzi to disclose their financials to you?
    - courts.
    * You can wait if and when a ponzi will get prosecuted and financials or investigation results are known
    * You can try to make a ponzi sue you for defamation, then you are entitled for a discovery and demand through court a ponzi to disclose all the financials to you.

    As you see to get that 100% proof in the first case is too late - the game is over,
    in second – exhausting and costly, when there are thousands of ponzis online , and almost none of them will dare to sue you because they will know how it will end.
    Those who dare to sue are counting on you not to show up in court, scare you with legal expenses you might face, scare you with compensation sum they demand.
    Sometimes they miscalculate on who they dragging to court and it will be the beginning of their end.

    They will try to delay the case, giving incomplete financials, finding excuses why they need months to come up with them
    - all of it just to make your fight in a court costly, they know you do not have millions which they have for lawyers (money are not theirs, money are stolen from victims). Their lawyers in most of the cases know they defending a ponzi, but do not mind getting huge bulk of ill-gotten money as payment for their services.

    Ok, so, you got the access to financials, what would you need to look for?
    * The money coming–in - income. Where is it from ?
    * The money coming-out - expenses. To whom ?
    * What been hidden from you

    If you see all the money (or most of it >50%) came from investors/promoters/reps - the members, and there was not any equal or greater income from other sources - you have a ponzi proof. How would they intend to pay members deposits back + profits if their other income less than it or none ?

    In the expenses, you would see that big chunk of it going back to members, so it is a money circulation scheme.
    Look where else they were going. They might have huge salaries for directors/employees, some not clearly defined big expenses or might even be hiding their looting
    by hiding themselves as members/reps or all of it combined.
    Of course most of financials they will provide are flawed so you have to verify with each institution, dig through each bank statement and transaction.
    You can also try to find if a ponzi "company" has more financial accounts they hid from you. Examine big sums going out to strange places.

    So do you expect the scambusters to go that far after each new ponzi which shows up almost every day ?
    Why don't you just listen when the red flags and ponzi operator's lies been pointed to you ?
    Some scambusters here have decades of experience, can smell a ponzi miles away, in 5 minutes of analyzing the site can tell you right away it is a ponzi.
    Look at what's been told here years ago about past ponzis, were the scambusters ever wrong ?


    Let's take a look at their 2013 Earning report they (themselves) filled in court on May 23 - DOC40 (attached),
    Income:

    Attachment 7693


    What are we missing here ? Exactly, there were no any money coming in from anywhere but members buying (investing in) "packages",
    and some $37k of sales of music (which is also under big question who was buying it and what for, the stores music was sold were run/controlled by Pigida)
    Let's take a minimum possible yearly profit of 400% on each package (as TSP advertised), to pay on $5,401,001.50 invested they need to generate
    $21,604,006.00 at least (even if they do not make any profit for themselves) in outside revenues,
    do you see any other income that can cover it (even if $37k music sales were real retail sales)?

    Now Expenses:

    Attachment 7694


    So they paid $4,715,483.10 back to some members in profits, still less than they collected, a ponzi needs to pay to suck more people in, the #1 excuse to invest in a ponzi is - "It Pays".
    Royalty of $1,589,698.11 Pigida paid mostly to himself as the music in so called packages was primary his.

    Yeap, over 2013 now they claiming a loss of $557,599.49

    3 rd point, what's been hidden from you:
    They still did not file and claim it will take weeks to provide the earning report for 2014.
    Was the $1.5m all the Pigida got out of it in 2013? Did he also had some of his own members accounts and kept withdrawing for himself?

    To know that, you have to dig through all the bank statements and spot any strange thing, big sums going out,
    the findings are just too much to go over here, but some interesting are:
    * Pigida paid with company funds for personal expenses, restaurants, furniture, VIP club membership, I think $90k Bentley car was too big not to notice that is why he gave it up in bankruptcy,or maybe he does not like that car anymore :)
    * there were sums of money transferred (total $133k) to hidden/undisclosed Bank of America account which did not belong to any member or expense.
    * There were money transfers to private trusts formed by Volodimyr Pigida and Marina Bondarenko totaling $2m, and these trusts bought 2 real estate properties
    * There were money ($300k) transferred to a corporate lawyer company who now also joined the case, but that transaction was not disclosed.
    * There are 5 more companies registered in WA by Pigida and Bonadrenko, which still need to be looked at.

    And on top of it they now claim they do not have accurate accounting.

    What else we can find from latest bank statements ?
    We can see the names and bank accounts of most of the shills, the buddies and big ponzi pimps were still getting paid big sums of money even in April,
    when most investors did not receive a penny since december.

    From other things i can see so far:
    Pigida paid big (>$100k) sum of money (your money) to a branding company and lawyers to fight us (scambusters)

    Sum the amounts of money Pigida spent undisclosed and disclosed, where those money came from if a company was constantly loosing money? Can you believe an earnings report ? Did he hid all that money he stole in "Promoter Commissions" filled section. All of that needs to be studied and examined not relying on the data provided by Pigida,His lawyers, His "employees".


    So What will happen next? I can tell you only one thing , we are just in the beginning of very long story, do not expect a fast resolution.
    I am still disappointed: why no TSP shill wants to fight me anymore?

    So is it enough proof for you of a 100% ponzi fraud?
    If not, well, RealScam has a motto: "Is it,or isn't it? You decide"
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    Oh, Pigida, did I scare you ? so sorry :)

    So, today you want chapter 7 yourself ? want to get over with it fast ?

    Maybe you do not realize it, but that is just the beginning of your nightmare.

    DOC 61:
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    Dear Nik, seems like you show yourself as a Mister know it all!
    However, I don't remember you or anyone else contacting me and offering help or anything whatsoever!
    No one suggested to try and recover the money!
    Now, since you decided you can interfere in my life, decided on my behalf what I do right and wrong, maybe tell us what exactly you personally do for a living aside from sitting here and writing your little stories.
    Yes, I lost money . And it was my decision at the time. I believed in the company I worked for. Whether I was right or wrong, it was MY decision.
    And I have no problem telling the truth. You seem to know how to get in touch with me, so go ahead! What is it that You get my name involved in your little stories here.
    Get in touch, or just get a life man

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaana View Post
    Dear Nik, seems like you show yourself as a Mister know it all!
    anaana. as you are a new poster I would ask you to deal with the issues raised and not attack the person raising them. Please look up "ad hominem"
    However, I don't remember you or anyone else contacting me and offering help or anything whatsoever!
    No one suggested to try and recover the money!
    So what? What is the point you are making here? why is it in any way relevant ( and it might be I just can't see why) whether anyone contacted you to offer help?
    Now, since you decided you can interfere in my life,
    How did Nik "interfere with" your life in the sense of perventing you from exercising any rights you have?
    decided on my behalf what I do right and wrong, maybe tell us what exactly you personally do for a living aside from sitting here and writing your little stories.
    Again what does it matter what other people do for a living? Can you deal with the issue of the thread and remain on topic and forget about personal attacks?
    Yes, I lost money . And it was my decision at the time. I believed in the company I worked for. Whether I was right or wrong, it was MY decision.
    So what? Why is you losing money or being conned relevant to this discussion? I accept it is relevant but you might have a totally different view as to why it may be relevant.

    And I have no problem telling the truth. You seem to know how to get in touch with me, so go ahead! What is it that You get my name involved in your little stories here.
    Get in touch, or just get a life man
    Well all you need do is PM the person. I mean the forum has a personal message system you can use if you so wish. Just click on the posters name and select "Private Message" and send one should you wish.

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    That's great, anaana,

    as long as you are OK, screw everybody else, eh ????

    Dog eat dog, law of the jungle, and all that.
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Dear Nastya, nobody was intervening with your life.
    I was told you been contacted and offered to complain to authorities as you became a victim of a scam
    and now you have vacate your premises with kids

    You told the person to leave you alone and mind their own business.
    So what happens next, you joined an another ponzi scheme - Wings Network , which was already in it's end.
    And to this day you still actively promoting it (or as we call it ponzi-pimping).
    And i see you also joined few russian ponzis.

    Does any of that look like a person is desperate ?

    Now about "your business" and "my business":

    What you call the business - playing ponzis and soliciting more victims to it, that is a crime , even in Australia.
    Even if you strongly believe it was not a ponzi, burden of responsibilities for people you lured is still on you.
    Oh you think it is ok playing ponzis as long as you win ?
    Well, your profits are ill-gotten, stolen property of future victims, do i and laws make it clear ?
    Some jurisdiction also see investing in ponzis as "supporting/financing criminal activity" and you can get tried as a conspirator.
    Do I need to bring bunch of cases here when people like you (promoters) went to jail and opeartors did not ?
    That is promoters fault for millions being scammed online,
    not as much as a guy with the site who started the scheme (Ponzi admin).

    About my business, if i wanted to discuss my business i would post about it online (as you did about yours).
    In this case my business is try to bring all the responsible to justice.

    Thanks for stepping by.

    PS: Yes, you are right , I am mister know-it-all, in your type of "business"

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    And you are nobody special, not that I have a crush on you or stalk you, we discuss ponzi-pimps here all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikSam View Post
    Oh, Pigida, did I scare you ? so sorry :)

    So, today you want chapter 7 yourself ? want to get over with it fast ?

    Maybe you do not realize it, but that is just the beginning of your nightmare.

    DOC 61:
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    Nik you say that its just the beginning. What do you mean by that, is there a chance these guys could actually face some jail time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peachy123 View Post
    Nik you say that its just the beginning. What do you mean by that, is there a chance these guys could actually face some jail time?
    yes, more than just a chance

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    Dear Creditors.
    I've been asked few times this,

    I do not do any legal help / legal advice / represent you in court etc.
    For that purpose a committee been formed in court, please contact them with your legal questions.
    I only can do a friendly advice and provide the information.



    Official Committee of Unsecured Creditors
    c/o Charles R. Ekberg
    Lane Powell PC
    1420 5th Avenue, Ste. 4200
    Seattle, WA 98111-9402

    represented by

    Charles R Ekberg
    Lane Powell PC
    1420 5th Ave Ste 4100
    Seattle, WA 98101
    206-223-7000
    Email: ekbergc@lanepowell.com

    Richard G Grant
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    Email: rgrant@culhanemeadows.com

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