Thread: Traffic monsoon. Better than MAPS with trusted admin Charles Scoville

Originally Posted by stacy532

Some seem to only have issues with the pay plan

Nope!!.....We all have a problem with a ponzi scheme being presented as anything but a ponzi scheme....

Stacy, you will be much better off if you stopped defending this shenanigan on a public forum, shut up, and enjoyed your illegal money quietly. What are you getting out of this argument? You are either o.k. with making money illegally or you are not. Why argue about it?

There is some right planks about, no wonder people like a scamming fat American bloke can get away with it, while ever people defend him. You have been ripped off by a fat idle, scamming American ****, forget rev shares or whatever ***** its branded this week, it's a Ponzi scheme , god it's scary how many thick people are about these days!

Originally Posted by stacy532

Some seem to only have issues with the pay plan

so you giving someone your money for him to just slowly give it back (if at all) is somehow a 'pay plan'?

Originally Posted by E2014T

Stacy, you will be much better off if you stopped defending this shenanigan on a public forum, shut up, and enjoyed your illegal money quietly. What are you getting out of this argument? You are either o.k. with making money illegally or you are not. Why argue about it?

i only can share my experiences with the monsoon . whether good or bad . if he stopped paying and i agreed that it was not sustainable and called it a ponzi i would be well liked on the forum . But since its paying and i report that . i use the services and have had some success . and i reported that . i usually refuse to believe folks that bash things without facts most of the arguments towards the monsoon are speculations. You guys seem to be throwing the security argument at it more than a ponzi . but even on this forum u cant get a straight answer.
To some its a ponzi to lynndel its a pyramid and to others its wire fraud.. Lol. Next ill see someone say charles is responsible for the jfk assassination. . just an observation

Originally Posted by Fendaril

Is Stacy Steve Lawson?

Unfortunately, no. He's Stacy Williams of Lubbock, Texas, and he is or was the manager at Mrs. Baird's Bakeries there. He has quite a bit of online history that can be followed, unlike Mr. Lawson.

Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins

Unfortunately, no. He's Stacy Williams of Lubbock, Texas, and he is or was the manager at Mrs. Baird's Bakeries there. He has quite a bit of online history that can be followed, unlike Mr. Lawson.

Yes manager of a bakery .
From lubbock texas
6 foot 3
290 lbs
Green eyes
What the hell does it have to do with steve lawson lol

Originally Posted by stacy532

i usually refuse to believe folks that bash things without facts most of the arguments towards the monsoon are speculations.

History and math have spoken, the only "speculations" are when this crashes and burns.

Originally Posted by stacy532

You guys seem to be throwing the security argument at it more than a ponzi . but even on this forum u cant get a straight answer.

You have been given numerous straight answers, you seem to not understand MULTIPLE laws are being violated, in addition to being a Ponzi which is simply the DESCRIPTION.

If someone is driving drunk, without a license, in a stolen car, at 100 MPH, your big concern is if we call them a "ne'er-do-well" versus "reprobate" while ignoring the crimes.

Originally Posted by stacy532

To some its a ponzi to lynndel its a pyramid and to others its wire fraud.. Lol. . just an observation

LOL you are in the business you should be explaining this to us. Many Ponzis have Pyramid like properties, often done to muddy the water. Wire, Mail, and Security fraud are the charges, how about we call it FUBAR TM to keep from twisting you in knots?


Let's do an exercise and see if we can spy red flags in BOTH lists. For your benefit, I have used red to indicate the current warning signs in TM. Please do spend the next five posts arguing about the warnings not in red.


SEC.gov | Beware of Pyramid Schemes Posing as Multi-Level Marketing Programs

No genuine product or service.
Promises of high returns in a short time period.
Easy money or passive income.
No demonstrated revenue from retail sales.
Buy-in required.


SEC.gov | "Ponzi" Schemes


High investment returns with little or no risk.
Overly consistent returns.
Unregistered investments.
Unlicensed sellers.
Secretive and/or complex strategies.
Issues with paperwork.
Difficulty receiving payments

Originally Posted by stacy532

ive been asked prove that he shares the revenue from the selling of the advertising .
how about prove he is not sharing revenue legally

The illegality has been proven with the Howey and Koscot Tests.

For further reading see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willful_blindness

These laws are easily missinterprted easliy twisted some use just little parts here and there. To try and prove a point one way or the other.. Id love to sit down with an sec agent that has talked to you first heard your point of views on here. Then sit down with another sec agent that chales talked to first and see which one seems more convinced .. Id pay to see that interaction. . like i said you guys are entitled toyour opinions i agree that innocent retires need to run from the hyip industry . i just feel that the monsoon is a more long term structured program of this industry...

Here is what im referrring to this person made up his own mind and joined after doing his own due diligence. And he. Has a different opinion of the same test .. And i quote
First of all, to even begin considering that something is a ponzi scheme, we must determine if it is an investment:

'U.S. Supreme Court's earliest tests to determine whether an instrument qualifies as an "investment contract" for the purposes of the Securities Act (which later came to be referred to as the Howey test):

1. investment of money due to
2. an expectation of profits arising from
3. a common enterprise
4. which depends solely on the efforts of a promoter or third party.'

Most of us participate in Traffic Monsoon because we want to earn money, so we do expect money, but we earn money not just by "putting" money in, doing nothing and expecting that the third party will earn us that money. We buy services, we sell services and we qualify to participate in revenue sharing company-wide. How much profit we will make depends on all of our efforts and we only share money that is coming in from services sold. So, we do not qualify in those four factors described by U.S. Supreme Court above. This shows us that we are not investing nor do we participate in investing.

Originally Posted by Whip

so you giving someone your money for him to just slowly give it back (if at all) is somehow a 'pay plan'?

Players been excited about being paid with their own money for years.....To players like Stacy it means the admin is honest......
Yea I know is rediculous logic but that's how the players minds work....LOL

Originally Posted by stacy532

Here is what im referrring to this person made up his own mind and joined after doing his own due diligence. And he. Has a different opinion of the same test .. And i quote
First of all, to even begin considering that something is a ponzi scheme, we must determine if it is an investment:

'U.S. Supreme Court's earliest tests to determine whether an instrument qualifies as an "investment contract" for the purposes of the Securities Act (which later came to be referred to as the Howey test):

1. investment of money due to
2. an expectation of profits arising from
3. a common enterprise
4. which depends solely on the efforts of a promoter or third party.'

Most of us participate in Traffic Monsoon because we want to earn money, so we do expect money, but we earn money not just by "putting" money in, doing nothing and expecting that the third party will earn us that money. We buy services, we sell services and we qualify to participate in revenue sharing company-wide. How much profit we will make depends on all of our efforts and we only share money that is coming in from services sold. So, we do not qualify in those four factors described by U.S. Supreme Court above. This shows us that we are not investing nor do we participate in investing.

Originally Posted by stacy532

To some its a ponzi to lynndel its a pyramid and to others its wire fraud.. Lol.

And all would be correct.....It is a ponzi...It is a pyramid and it is fraud.....

I wish guys like stacy and steve could hear how they sound.

They come up with hundreds of stupid stawman arguments and think that they sound intelligent, and get upset and flustered when nobody agrees with them.

It's very funny.

Originally Posted by okosh

Players been excited about being paid with their own money for years.....To players like Stacy it means the admin is honest......
Yea I know is rediculous logic but that's how the players minds work....LOL

Its funny that u guys make fun of the money being made to be very small . but in the same breath we hear statements like members are seeing more money than they have their whole lives .. So which is it ?
I actually just have my government issued irs refund that i used to purchase ad packs with..

Originally Posted by Fendaril

I wish guys like stacy and steve could hear how they sound.

They come up with hundreds of stupid stawman arguments and think that they sound intelligent, and get upset and flustered when nobody agrees with them.

It's very funny.

Actually the funny thing is watching you guys stroke each other when someone dishes out an insult or says the word ponzi..lol

Originally Posted by stacy532

Actually the funny thing is watching you guys stroke each other

You must be one of Steve's friends.

You have the same disturbing taste in men.

Originally Posted by stacy532

I actually just have my government issued irs refund that i used to purchase ad packs with..

Only better news you could give us would be if you maxed out all your cards and used that for ad packs as well.....

Originally Posted by Fendaril

You must be one of Steve's friends.

You have the same disturbing taste in men.

Nope sorry honey never tasted one. let me know what its like . did it taste like ponzi ? Lol
Im real easy to get along with no need to insult each other but hey if ur having fun daddy will make sure you stay entertained.

Originally Posted by okosh

Only better news you could give us would be if you maxed out all your cards and used that for ad packs as well.....

Nope no need to go into debt the motgage and car is enough payments. For me . thank you for your concern .

Stacy, you probably should read this document.
http://www.justice.gov/sites/default...ov_23_2010.pdf

i read it thank you for the professional responses and post .. nice change of pace ..

i never join those 12% per day surf sites or the sites that promise anything
once they say the word we promise or guarantee im gone

Originally Posted by stacy532

Yes manager of a bakery .
From lubbock texas
6 foot 3
290 lbs
Green eyes
What the hell does it have to do with steve lawson lol

Nothing to do with him.......But is always handy to have the pitch man for a scams name and address on file......You never know who down the track may want to have a chat with you.....Could be law enforcement...a member of your downline.....The IRS......They also part of the game you choose to play

Originally Posted by stacy532

But since its paying and i report that

Getting paid is not an argument in favor or against. People get paid for all sorts of illegal activities, from dealing drugs to murder for hire. If they get paid on time, it's legal, right? That's pretty much your logic.

Originally Posted by E2014T

Getting paid is not an argument in favor or against. People get paid for all sorts of illegal activities, from dealing drugs to murder for hire. If they get paid on time, it's legal, right? That's pretty much your logic.

im not reporting that i get paid to prove its legal . i can only report what I know what i see and what is going on... i dont care what anyone else believes you are entitled to your own opinions of its legality or not . I am not trying to prove your wrong about any of that . ill admit im no expert of any laws I do not worry myself with legal mumbo jumbo or legal lawyer type discussions . if i say im getting paid its all that it is im getting paid . if I was not getting paid and had to beg for my money like those poor help less folks on the former jbp now acx believe me I would gladly say so.. I was asked to come here and provide another view point on things . you know the other side of things . im just a messenger nothing more . if you have any questions in my back office or what things i promote or had success promoting outside of the next ponzi de jour ill gladly answer any questions.. I am not the type to get all emotional when a program collapses . nor do i get all fuzzy when i hear an admin talk . im one of the hardest individuals to get to join anything . you better have a great sales pitch and i still prolly will not join ...lol