Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

This was posted at MMG, and was supposedly from one of the major group promoters of PS. This is so full of lies and BS it is hard to read with a straight face. All they are doing is trying to keep their members from going to the authorities and reporting them. That's all this is about, but for the faithful they will buy into it as being true:

UpDate on PS:

Good day Everyone,

I am sending this to those of you in my first level down line as well as others I may have introduced to this wonderful program as a courtesy contact and encourage you to also make those in your down line aware of the following as well.

By now, most of you know you are unable to access your Profitable Sunrise Site, they are updating and migrating the site to a larger server and improving security of backoffice. It is expected to be down a few days. As you also know, I have been cautioning all in my down line for quite sometime that they should expect some adjustments to come in this area because of the tremendous growth over the past 3 months.

This is not without need or purpose.

Since my first week's association with PS, I have been encouraging them through skype and email to become more compliant with US laws which are specific as to whom may use some of the terminology outlined on our web site. Such terms (in the USA) are generally reserved for use by those registered as securities "sales" agents. We are not sales agents, only participates, in the program, so it would be best for us to comply with the temporary cease and desist orders of a few states and not add any new participates until Roman has the issues settled and then advise's us, as participates, as to what we can or can not do.

At the time Profitable Sunrise was created, there was no precedent established for an offshore system operating in a Universal capacity as we do. As a result, as different agencies (in different countries) learn of our existence, it is becoming necessary for them to make a determination of operational boundaries they expect. As this is done, we must also adapt so that the structure we have in place satisfies transparently with ALL such agencies that do or could ask it of us. Even with the forthcoming adjustments, it still may be necessary to register in each of the fifty States and perhaps beyond. Time and circumstances will tell. To be sure, Roman and his legal team are on top of this so as to guarantee the longevity of our program.

Additionally, there were some security issues with the current web site that needed to be addressed, as well as some much needed staffing increases. We are also looking forward to a new banking, payment, and in-house debit card (and possible e-check) system that is in the works to more efficiently expedite our deposit and payment receipts. This is really an exciting prospect!

At this time, Roman is hiring an additional 100 employees to facilitate customer service and has expanded his legal team as well to make sure that not only is our web site secure but also totally compliant with both the law and our purpose, while making sure that the processing of funds back to the Participants are unencumbered when needed.

As a result. it has been the decision to accept NO new Participants at this time and to accept NO further funding into any existing Participant's accounts until such procedures are updated. Once the system goes back on line, you will be able to process your daily balances as usual, including making withdrawals in your Long Haul Plan from your Easter Bonus or from daily rates (noncompounding) in your Private Plan. Even when the system comes back on line, it would be best to not make any effort to add new Participants or make any additional deposits into your accounts until notified by either Roman or Profitable Sunrise Support.You can still take funds from your available balance and add it to your Private plan, that would not constitute a new outside deposit. We want to make sure we help stay in compliance and let Roman get everything in proper order.

The Easter Bonus will be a very important function to PS and Roman looks forward to expediting these pay outs by bank wire as planned, as this will fully demonstrate that our Participants are the true beneficiaries of this program.

Our particular group has tripled in size in only a few months and other groups have experience equal growth. One can only imagine trying to keep up with the management of such growth.

I appreciate the efforts that are being pursued. and look forward to the refinements to come and the blessings this program will produce. Profitable Sunrise is with keen for-site, moving forward. I, for one and happy to be here! This message is being passed on by someone in close contact with Roman.


MAY GOD BLESS AND KEEP HIS HANDS ON OUR BLESSINGS

Yes, there are those, and then there are those who tell it like it is

You don't understand the short life span of a Hyip. A good Hyip lasts always more months up to some years only.
My referrals are instructed what means a Hyip business. Nobody exaggerated the investments, everybody is in profit.

Hyips are best to be taken as a game. Then you cannot make a mistake.
In every business are those that tell fancy instead of clarifying the business, the risks, the chances.
Hyps are thousands of times more profitable than any tax-controlled national lottery, bettings or sports lists.

Profitablesunrise - Profitablesunrise.com

The HYIP forum memberships self-regulate just fine without the naysayers.

As of right now, there are over 200 people viewing this thread. Many of them have to be in ProSun, or should I say, used to be in ProSun. I can really understand if someone is a total newbie that they can continue to buy this BS for a while. But after a while you just have to "smell" something as it constantly gets spread. I know someone who dropped $10K in ProSun and still is spouting these communications as if they come from someone "up" the ProSun food chain and is really inside information. I told them not to get involved before they did, told them it was a Ponzi (they tried to recruit me) and told them that it was a scam. They got in anyway and still believe that it will come back and they'll get their money out. Hey, I believe in hope as much as the next guy, but one can only hope that ProSun is as crooked as it seems and that it about all. ProSun is GONE! The $$$ are GONE! Roman (or whoever) is GONE! And the truth is that hope is GONE as well! Learn from it, move on, and don't get suckered again! These are scams. If you think not, check out HYIP scripts, Free and Commercial, the most Advanced and Secure HYIP Manager Script - Gold Coders and see where many of these "admins" get their sites from. How much did I lose in ProSun? Exactly $9.49. I threw in $10 just to watch from the inside what was happening. The price of admission was worth the show! The show was just like in the Wizard of Oz when the curtain gets pulled back! I knew what was behind the curtain the whole time because I did my due diligence. I suggest that you do yours.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

This was posted at MMG, and was supposedly from one of the major group promoters of PS. This is so full of lies and BS it is hard to read with a straight face. All they are doing is trying to keep their members from going to the authorities and reporting them. That's all this is about, but for the faithful they will buy into it as being true:

UpDate on PS:

Good day Everyone,

I am sending this to those of you in my first level down line as well as others I may have introduced to this wonderful program as a courtesy contact and encourage you to also make those in your down line aware of the following as well.

By now, most of you know you are unable to access your Profitable Sunrise Site, they are updating and migrating the site to a larger server and improving security of backoffice. It is expected to be down a few days. As you also know, I have been cautioning all in my down line for quite sometime that they should expect some adjustments to come in this area because of the tremendous growth over the past 3 months.

This is not without need or purpose.

Since my first week's association with PS, I have been encouraging them through skype and email to become more compliant with US laws which are specific as to whom may use some of the terminology outlined on our web site. Such terms (in the USA) are generally reserved for use by those registered as securities "sales" agents. We are not sales agents, only participates, in the program, so it would be best for us to comply with the temporary cease and desist orders of a few states and not add any new participates until Roman has the issues settled and then advise's us, as participates, as to what we can or can not do.

At the time Profitable Sunrise was created, there was no precedent established for an offshore system operating in a Universal capacity as we do. As a result, as different agencies (in different countries) learn of our existence, it is becoming necessary for them to make a determination of operational boundaries they expect. As this is done, we must also adapt so that the structure we have in place satisfies transparently with ALL such agencies that do or could ask it of us. Even with the forthcoming adjustments, it still may be necessary to register in each of the fifty States and perhaps beyond. Time and circumstances will tell. To be sure, Roman and his legal team are on top of this so as to guarantee the longevity of our program.

Additionally, there were some security issues with the current web site that needed to be addressed, as well as some much needed staffing increases. We are also looking forward to a new banking, payment, and in-house debit card (and possible e-check) system that is in the works to more efficiently expedite our deposit and payment receipts. This is really an exciting prospect!

At this time, Roman is hiring an additional 100 employees to facilitate customer service and has expanded his legal team as well to make sure that not only is our web site secure but also totally compliant with both the law and our purpose, while making sure that the processing of funds back to the Participants are unencumbered when needed.

As a result. it has been the decision to accept NO new Participants at this time and to accept NO further funding into any existing Participant's accounts until such procedures are updated. Once the system goes back on line, you will be able to process your daily balances as usual, including making withdrawals in your Long Haul Plan from your Easter Bonus or from daily rates (noncompounding) in your Private Plan. Even when the system comes back on line, it would be best to not make any effort to add new Participants or make any additional deposits into your accounts until notified by either Roman or Profitable Sunrise Support.You can still take funds from your available balance and add it to your Private plan, that would not constitute a new outside deposit. We want to make sure we help stay in compliance and let Roman get everything in proper order.

The Easter Bonus will be a very important function to PS and Roman looks forward to expediting these pay outs by bank wire as planned, as this will fully demonstrate that our Participants are the true beneficiaries of this program.

Our particular group has tripled in size in only a few months and other groups have experience equal growth. One can only imagine trying to keep up with the management of such growth.

I appreciate the efforts that are being pursued. and look forward to the refinements to come and the blessings this program will produce. Profitable Sunrise is with keen for-site, moving forward. I, for one and happy to be here! This message is being passed on by someone in close contact with Roman.


MAY GOD BLESS AND KEEP HIS HANDS ON OUR BLESSINGS

I was wondering how long before this excuse was used by Roman. Here is a text message that someone supposedly got from Roman and it said, and I quote:

I am experience difficulty with server power plug. I may need another cup of coffee and extra massage. Hopefully from girl this time.
Have a blessed day"

Gee, I have lost count of all the Ponzi admin that has used this excuse. And the sad part is the faithful will believe it. Just more delaying tactics.

By the way, if anyone reading this still believes that Roman can make the Easter/Long Haul payout, you should know he would have to pay over $1.8 Trillion Dollars if he did. That is using the figure of $250 Million that was stated to be in the long haul program. But let's just use 1/10 of that or $25 Million (and we know it was way more than that because just two groups had more than that in this program), he would only need to pay $1.8 Billion.

Now stop and think how many hard money/bridge fund loans he would have to do to pay that out in the long haul program. Still want to believe this is not a Ponzi?

Email above Eagle posted- has all the bullet points of a proper ponzi email.
Could be an example email in 'Ponzi for Dummies' (fictional book)

They are setting up for another program. Enough will be desperate and/or blame the government for one more pocket fleecing.

No clawbacks for this one, going to gut people.

There is a sophistication and genuine understanding of hyip/religions blurry boundries, in this caper.
This crew will be back and they have millions.

Rumorama:

• 
  Victor Alfonso Freire Ledezma PS UPDATE FROM credits from Cynthia Basinger
  
  I received this update this morning from someone in NJF's group: Ok. She talked to Roman he said the website will go online on 3/22/13 around noon. she also said that he made a lot of changes to the website so its going to look a little difrrent but people can get used to it very easy. She will be making an update on her website soon too. Im very happy with this news and hope you will be too.
  about an hour ago · Like · 2

Poor sweet Cynthia, she's still waiting for Robert Craddock to get Zeek Rewards reopened. Hey, maybe Robert can fly to China with a power converter and give Roman a backrub, that should get Pro Sun back up and running in no time. Except Robert would need to hold a few fund raising conference calls first because Robert never does anything on his own dime, he needed all the Cynthia's of the world to pay the legal fees of fighting his own clawbacks.

Even worse is the fact that Nanci Jo Frazer is still talking to "Roman" how stupid can Nanci actually be????

Originally Posted by Fat City, LA

This crew will be back and they have millions.

The HYIPers would love for them to be back. Gotta love their style. Paying, paying, paying, paying, paying, gone. No excuses, no selective payments, no BS.

Originally Posted by Finix

The HYIPers would love for them to be back. Gotta love their style. Paying, paying, paying, paying, paying, gone. No excuses, no selective payments, no BS.

Let me correct that for you. Stealing, paying, stealing, paying, stealing, paying, stealing, paying, stealing, payng, stealing, paying, gone. Excuse is he can't find the plug for the new servers, all BS.

You are still thinking in terms of real world standards. For the HYIP arena, PS was honest to a fault. A true gem.

Originally Posted by Finix

You are still thinking in terms of real world standards. For the HYIP arena, PS was honest to a fault. A true gem.

There is no "Honesty" in any HYIP. It is all "LIES." So it was lying to a fault. I know you want to defend the Ponzi admins, pimps, shills and players, but they are all still crooks by any standard. HYIP deals in fantasy land, but in the "real world" they are just common criminals.

I don't need to defend anyone, they are doing just fine without me. I'm telling you that for the HYIP world it was an excellent HYIP and the admins would be more than welcome in that world to run another one.

Originally Posted by Finix

I don't need to defend anyone, they are doing just fine without me. I'm telling you that for the HYIP world it was an excellent HYIP and the admins would be more than welcome in that world to run another one.

Of course they would. Crooks of a feather stick together.

You show again how little you know about a subject you claim to be an expert in. There are plenty of admins HYIPers hate.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Let me correct that for you. Stealing, paying, stealing, paying, stealing, paying, stealing, paying, stealing, payng, stealing, paying, gone. Excuse is he can't find the plug for the new servers, all BS.

And let me further correct that for you. Stealing, Stealing, Stealing, Stealing, Stealing, GONE.....

Originally Posted by intheknow

Even worse is the fact that Nanci Jo Frazer is still talking to "Roman" how stupid can Nanci actually be????

Who said that Nanci talking to "roman" ? they just making stuff up, "roman" gone already and would only talk to nanci if he is some kind of perverted sadistic troll, which i do not think he gets pleasure from that, it is just money to him, he got them, work is done.


And he does not even need to spread the wrong hope, there are plenty team leaders who will do that for him without even asking them.

Originally Posted by Finix

You are still thinking in terms of real world standards. For the HYIP arena, PS was honest to a fault. A true gem.

Like hell it was....If he was "honest" in the players eyes then admin would not be gone right b4 long term plan was due to be paid.
An honest admin in players eyes pays till the ponzi implodes then sends mass email to say "Game Over"....
A dishonest admin in players eyes does what "Roman" did with PS.....

Originally Posted by Finix

I don't need to defend anyone, they are doing just fine without me.

Yet you do the best you can every chance you get....

Originally Posted by okosh

Like hell it was....If he was "honest" in the players eyes then admin would not be gone right b4 long term plan was due to be paid.
An honest admin in players eyes pays till the ponzi implodes then sends mass email to say "Game Over"....
A dishonest admin in players eyes does what "Roman" did with PS.....

Of course, this attempted deflection from the subject at hand is based on the premise that "Roman Novak" and Profitable Sunrise are members of the mythical HYIP "industry" band of brothers.

The HYIP industry label is an artificially created justification for outright fraud.

Neither Novak or Profitable Sunrise have included themselves in any "industry," only apologists for their activities have done that.

Put simply, what "Roman Novak" and those behind Profitable Sunrise have done (and continue to do) is maintain they have a legitimate business offering to double peoples' money.

NOWHERE can be found any other explanation from Novak or Profitable Sunrise.

There are no disclaimers, hints or other indicators FROM ROMAN NOVAK OR PROFITABLE SUNRISE that Profitable Sunrise is anything but a legitimate online "opportunity"


The HYIP ponzi "industry" label is nothing but a convenient label to excuse the fact innocent people are being defrauded.

The fact that HYIP industry "insiders" do or do not know what they are doing or that those insiders claim others "should" know is irrelevant.

They don't, and, unless we want to revert to the rule of the jungle where the strongest gets to eat the "weak" fraud will remain illegal, no matter the label.

Profitable sunrise will be alive soon as they have updated the database to a Chinese Company called
BIZCN.COM, INC.
Detail info is here
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to InterNIC | The Internet's Network Information Center
for detailed information.
Domain Name: PROFITABLESUNRISE.COM
Registrar: BIZCN.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.bizcn.com
Referral URL: [potentially malicious website address removed by mod. Any further attempt to post disguised redirecting URL will also be removed]
Name Server: A.BLOCKDOS.COM
Name Server: B.BLOCKDOS.COM
Name Server: C.BLOCKDOS.COM
Name Server: D.BLOCKDOS.COM
Name Server: PRO.BL1.BLOCKDOS.COM
Name Server: PRO.BL2.BLOCKDOS.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 05-jan-2013
Creation Date: 18-sep-2011
Expiration Date: 18-sep-2017
>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:30:02 UTC <<<
So,the data shows that the site will be up soon as Roman is doing its work.
Profitable sunrise will be back so dont worry,have patience and trust on Roman.
He is migrating the server for us,for our benefit not for himself.
Give him time,he will be live again with a website.
Also,many member claim that they cant send email to support of profitablesunrise.
The reason behind is that the support emails are associated with domain names so when the site will be
alive,again you will be able to send emails to support.
Another thing that prove that they are moving server is that SEARCH ON GOOGLE About 504 Gateway Time-out
you can find
that this error arises only due to server problem,its not due to anyother problem.
So dont panic,everything will be ok.

Originally Posted by Ramshod

Profitable sunrise will be alive soon as they have updated the database to a Chinese Company called
BIZCN.COM, INC.
Detail info is here
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to InterNIC | The Internet's Network Information Center
for detailed information.
Domain Name: PROFITABLESUNRISE.COM
Registrar: BIZCN.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.bizcn.com
Referral URL: [potentially malicious website address removed by mod. Any further attempt to post disguised redirecting URL will also be removed]
Name Server: A.BLOCKDOS.COM
Name Server: B.BLOCKDOS.COM
Name Server: C.BLOCKDOS.COM
Name Server: D.BLOCKDOS.COM
Name Server: PRO.BL1.BLOCKDOS.COM
Name Server: PRO.BL2.BLOCKDOS.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 05-jan-2013
Creation Date: 18-sep-2011
Expiration Date: 18-sep-2017
>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:30:02 UTC <<<
So,the data shows that the site will be up soon as Roman is doing its work.
Profitable sunrise will be back so dont worry,have patience and trust on Roman.
He is migrating the server for us,for our benefit not for himself.
Give him time,he will be live again with a website.
Also,many member claim that they cant send email to support of profitablesunrise.
The reason behind is that the support emails are associated with domain names so when the site will be
alive,again you will be able to send emails to support.
Another thing that prove that they are moving server is that SEARCH ON GOOGLE About 504 Gateway Time-out
you can find
that this error arises only due to server problem,its not due to anyother problem.
So dont panic,everything will be ok.

No such thing is happening. PS has always been hosted by Bizcn.com, and the update is when anyone accessed the whois site. Roman is gone and so is your money. It is not coming back no matter what anyone of the cheerleaders says. It is all designed to keep the masses from going to the authorities and filing claims, and naming them as their upline that got them into PS. It is nothing more than CYA for the major players in this Ponzi.

Originally Posted by Ramshod

Profitable sunrise will be alive soon

So will the Easter Bunny who will pay me my Easter eggs

Well since the outage of being able to access RS, there have been a couple more states who have issued an alert or warning about PS, and Alabama changed from an alert to a full cease and desist order.

It is now being said that Roman will bring the website backup on the "new servers" this coming Monday. Originally they said noon on Friday, but now that has changed to Monday if you can believe anything coming out of the mouths of the people who are supposed to be in the know.

Speaking of people in the know, there was this conference call today for people in Nanci Jo Frazer's group. I was told that I received honorable mention from Nanci Jo on the call, but Jim Paris was the brunt of the comments. If the information I received is true, then I want to publicly thank Nanci Jo for giving out our website name, telling about our Visa Card program, and mentioning I had a book, but darn did not give out the title, but I'm sure if she had it would have exposed her comments about me were lies. I was also told I am a destroyer of companies. No Nanci Jo, I am a destroyer of Ponzi's and PS is, was and always has been a Ponzi. Roman is a liar and a crook. PS is no different than all the other Ponzi's we have assited in being taken down, and we are going to take down a whole lot more.

Now what was truly interesting is that whoever dug up info from here quoted from MMB's thread where everyone here was me and anyone else was my sock puppet. Too bad they didn't check to see that MMB was a nut-case, and had anyone really read any of his posts would have known this in 2-seconds. But then that would not have fit the story line they wanted to tell. Mind you, this is what I was told. But I'm sure if it is not true, someone will come and correct me and tell me I am telling more lies about PS and Nanci Jo's group.

But for anyone who stops and thinks for just a moment, I would be wondering why Roman has not addressed any of the alerts/warnings or the cease and desist orders while the website is down and migrating to the new servers. Not ONE. After all, he is operating legally, so this would have been a slam dunk for him. Yet not one peep from him to quell al these states acting improperly against a legal company.

I guess Frabi didn't appreciate my comment about him in response to a personal attack he made as usual that was so full of lies but tried to pass off as the truth. I think there were about 5 or 6 posts that were nothing more than a personal attack against me, but it was fun exposing Frabi for the liar s/he is. You guessed it, Yippee came in and removed all of them and mine too and then closed the thread. I fully support Yippee taking this action. So I guess you can blame me for the closure of the thread for a while.

But it is good to have RS back, and continuing doing what it does best...exposing these Ponzi's, their pimps, shills and players for who the truly are.

Every cent that members of Profitable Sunshine will have lost is real money - irrespective of whether they paid it through a payment processor or sent a bank transfer; irrespective of whether they handed over cash physically in the bank or whether they sent if over the internet. The money Roman and his insiders, including Nanci Jo, received was real money, irrespective of whether it was transferred over the internet or handed to him in cash. None of this is "virtual money" at any stage as it always has value and can be claimed by someone.

The only "virtual money" in Profitable Sunshine is the figures that represent the accumulated "profits" in the members back offices which could not be converted into cash. The money already taken was stolen from newer members.

That is why "wire fraud" is a common charge against ponzi fraud

Calling the use of the internet by criminals and their collaborators an "industry" and implying that it is not part of the real world is a joke. Go tell that to people who have lost real money to fraudsters, on or offline. The only ones laughing are the fraudsters themselves who survive because there are enough people deluding themselves that they are part of some kind of virtual industry and no real harm is done.

Originally Posted by Finix

Yes, there are those, and then there are those who tell it like it is

Then there are people who come into financial jungle and start putting museum stickers on things. Those people are called naysayers.

Then there is Eddie who tells us that naysayers are "a bunch of arrogant, patronizing, hypocritical pricks who simply beg to be taken down a peg or two now and again".

Now that everything is labeled and described properly, all is well in this part of VR.