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    Quote Originally Posted by GlimDropper View Post
    To the mod who saved me the trouble of splitting the Finix Fest(a) posts out of this thread and over to rants. Thank you. To those looking for that content it can be found here, now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

    And am I the only one who thinks that Roman/Nanci Jo really dropped the ball for not claiming that the Cyprus bail out deal was the reason Pro Sun went offline? The timeline fits and at one time Roman was claiming their bank was in that country. Oh well missed opportunity or not, enough of the faithful bought the "server migration" story to keep the torch and pitch fork vigil away from Nanci's door, for now.
    There were several ponzis back in late 2008 that used the "global banking crisis" as an excuse to close up shop. Then the swiss banking crack down....... They missed an opportunity here with the mess in Cyprus. There is always something going on around the globe that can be used as an excuse. I never even thought about this until you brought it up. I need to think more like a criminal and liar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    This is a little off topic, but I have often wondered how many "Hedge Funds" that were really Ponzi's used the financial meltdown to slip out of dodge. Certainly several went down when withdrawals started, but surely others must have closed their doors leaving the investors none the wiser. As for NJF, she may have a lot of charisma to bring in that many people and that much money, but she does not come off as having a lick of common sense. Some of her letters leave me to believe that she was as duped as anyone else.
    I don't think I can productively respond to the hedge fund issue but I don't for a moment buy the notion that Nanci Jo was duped. This is no fewer than her third ride on the ponzi pony, what ever innocence she may once have had vanished many referral commissions ago. She claims to be some amazing business woman with massive success after massive success to her credit. She also has a husband who's a banker esteemed enough to chair the local chamber of commerce. That isn't to mention the overwhelming likelihood that she herself has participated on this forum. No, for her to claim that she's been duped by Roman she'd almost have to plead insanity.

    That being said she clearly made some very novice mistakes. For one thing she let her group grow beyond her ability to moderate it. She also never crafted an exit strategy. The thing is both of those issues could have been combined. She didn't recognize, or at least admit that the birth of the "long haul program" was the first sign of the inevitable collapse. She should have promoted it the way she did but then instead of trying to fight us, use us. As more negative attention started to accumulate she could have used it as a reason to close her group. "No new signups till we see were this is going." That would have cost her a little money but it would have made her more credible, more realistic. At some point she should have used her (makes that sticking his fingers down his throat and gagging sound) "Christian Principles" to explain why it was worth sacrificing the upline commission on compounding to make sure the downline got their investment back. Then when the North Carolina C&D came out explain to her entire group her questions about Roman's commitment to Christ and implored everyone to cash out as fast as they could.

    If she'd done all that she'd have an organization to whore out to the next program. Instead she made herself Roman's spokes model and I'm glad that she'll pay the price for that mistake. She did more than anyone to convince people that Roman Novak was a gift from God and all she has left is a cell phone number that never picks up and the smell of sulfur, that and a butt load of money she can only hope no one sues her out of.
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    Don't think for a minute Nanci Jo didn't know any better, this was hardly her first rodeo. I have seen her own postings about Zeek and a few other scams, all promoted through her FUMI website, she's a holy roller Ken Russo in a skirt as far as I can tell.

    Another interesting little tidbit from the FUMI website is a very prominent disclaimer about the "president and board members" not getting any proceeds of the donations, but if you look carefully at the positions mentioned, and then at the positions Nanci Jo holds, you'll notice that the two never intersect. Go have a look, and tell me if I'm wrong.... and still, has anyone found anything to indicate that in spite of 20 odd mentions on the FUMI website that they are a 501(3)C charitable tax exempt organization that they are in fact one and not just flat out lying? Or posting another organization's EIN, now taken down?
    If you spend a bit looking back at Nanci Jo there are a lot of pictures from cruises and overseas trips and I have to wonder how many of them paid for by some arm or another of FUMI (you can have a board meeting on a boat, after all, when I owned a company I didn't have much trouble arranging meetings in places where I was pretty much on vacation and taking a partial tax deduction for the trip. (mind you I was still using my own money, or my company's money and not "donations")

    And another damn thing that I find curious, there are several mentions on FUMI about not getting a voucher or receipt for donations of less than $250 AND the donation buttons are all for amounts less than that. Does that look to anyone else like trying to avoid leaving a paper trail or is it just me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlimDropper View Post
    I don't think I can productively respond to the hedge fund issue but I don't for a moment buy the notion that Nanci Jo was duped. This is no fewer than her third ride on the ponzi pony, what ever innocence she may once have had vanished many referral commissions ago. She claims to be some amazing business woman with massive success after massive success to her credit. She also has a husband who's a banker esteemed enough to chair the local chamber of commerce. That isn't to mention the overwhelming likelihood that she herself has participated on this forum. No, for her to claim that she's been duped by Roman she'd almost have to plead insanity.

    That being said she clearly made some very novice mistakes. For one thing she let her group grow beyond her ability to moderate it. She also never crafted an exit strategy. The thing is both of those issues could have been combined. She didn't recognize, or at least admit that the birth of the "long haul program" was the first sign of the inevitable collapse. She should have promoted it the way she did but then instead of trying to fight us, use us. As more negative attention started to accumulate she could have used it as a reason to close her group. "No new signups till we see were this is going." That would have cost her a little money but it would have made her more credible, more realistic. At some point she should have used her (makes that sticking his fingers down his throat and gagging sound) "Christian Principles" to explain why it was worth sacrificing the upline commission on compounding to make sure the downline got their investment back. Then when the North Carolina C&D came out explain to her entire group her questions about Roman's commitment to Christ and implored everyone to cash out as fast as they could.

    If she'd done all that she'd have an organization to whore out to the next program. Instead she made herself Roman's spokes model and I'm glad that she'll pay the price for that mistake. She did more than anyone to convince people that Roman Novak was a gift from God and all she has left is a cell phone number that never picks up and the smell of sulfur, that and a butt load of money she can only hope no one sues her out of.
    As I was going to turn in I read your post and wanted to put a little food thought out there. Not that it is a knowable answer, just pure speculation on my part. When I say she was duped, I don't want to imply she is innocent or a hapless victim. However, when I clicked your link and read CadioBeam's posts I am taking them to be from NJF. I would buy that because like her member updates they are unorganized and almost cut and paste. It could be a ruse, but her writing comes across of that of a complete idiot, not a planner. And I mean that in a nice way. Her explanations of Roman, a seeming lack of understanding of even basic laws, and as you say a rather unplanned exit strategy make me wonder. Her calls with the Roman just further heighten my suspicion, just the way she reports them back she is leaving herself wide open to legal action.

    There is no doubt that she can attract a following and raise cash, but the calls to Roman and subsequent messaging to her flock seem almost childlike. I am left wondering if perhaps her husband or someone behind her is not pulling the strings? On the other hand, there are surely some arrogant criminals out there that think they will never be caught. I remember reading about Wade Cook laughing through his whole trial, until they read the verdict.

    You have followed her longer than I, and maybe the message is dumbed down for her masses, but her responses just don't read mastermind or in control.

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    It's what I call "smoking your own dope" and as far as that goes, Nanci Jo has smoked more dope than Willie Nelson. :)

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    Every once in a while I have to post the maths, just to show how crazy these schemes are.
    I use an investment of $100,000, not because I think anyone would put in that much, but surely we can all agree that there is a group of people, a rather small group, that all of their investments added up would total that, and for the sake of the maths, it's the same thing, the only other assumption we need make is on the time scale....so here we go...

    Investment scams you can find on the internet promise returns of 2% a day. Think hard about this for a minute. Checking your math: A 2% increase is a multiplier of 1.02, so a 2% increase for 1,825 days is a multiplier of 1.021825, or 4,958,079,264,200,877.85, rounded a bit. Shift the unrounded value left by five digits to represent the initial investment of 100 grand, and we get $495,807,926,420,087,785,122 and 80.2 cents. That's nearly 500 quintillion dollars in the U.S., about 270 million billion pounds, around 389 quintillion Euros or nearly 53 sextillion yen.

    A $100 thousand initial investment becomes larger than the estimated GWP after just 1,013 days, or two years and nine months or so. And it would pass the 2005 budgeted Federal spending for the U.S. after just 857 days, or two years and about four months.

    No matter what the initial investment, at 2% per day it would double every 36 days. Well, slightly more than double, as 1.0236 is real close to 2.04. So, if a person were to initially invest just a thousand bucks, the above calculations on $100,000 would become true after less than seven 36-day periods go by (in other words, at 2%, $1,000 becomes $100,921.55 in 233 days). After this we are at the first calculation which gives us 500 quintillion dollars in another 1,825 days which even the dullest tool in the shed should see as being impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlimDropper View Post
    To the mod who saved me the trouble of splitting the Finix Fest(a) posts out of this thread and over to rants. Thank you. To those looking for that content it can be found here, now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

    And am I the only one who thinks that Roman/Nanci Jo really dropped the ball for not claiming that the Cyprus bail out deal was the reason Pro Sun went offline? The timeline fits and at one time Roman was claiming their bank was in that country. Oh well missed opportunity or not, enough of the faithful bought the "server migration" story to keep the torch and pitch fork vigil away from Nanci's door, for now.

    Isn't Cyprus the nation that taxes bank deposits? Or was it bank interest that they tax?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins View Post
    Isn't Cyprus the nation that taxes bank deposits? Or was it bank interest that they tax?
    As a condition of their EU bail out deal they are beginning to, but only on accounts above a certain size. Up until this point they had been a popular destination for money laundering and by complete coincidence a significant number of Russian depositors are unhappy about the new policies. In this context it's amusing to note that of the three or four company names in the Czech Republic that processed bank wires for Profitable Sunrise that I was aware of, all of them listed Russian citizens as principles. Hell, it really is possible that a percentage of Pro Sun investor's money will go to refinance Cypriot bank debt.

    And while I can't blame PS for not having a crystal ball to see how the Cyprus situation would play out it would have been a token of genius if they had used the banking situation as a cover story, enough so that I almost expect them to retcon their lies. In addition to the "hair cut" large deposits will take there are some pretty funky new regulations on how much money can be withdrawn and under what circumstances. I don't think PS will turn the lights back on but these new regs could make a perfect excuse for slow and selective pay all while pretending they wanted to give everyone their Easter Present as promised. (that loud Slap you just heard was Roman's palm striking his forehead)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlimDropper View Post
    She did more than anyone to convince people that Roman Novak was a gift from God and all she has left is a cell phone number that never picks up and the smell of sulfur, that and a butt load of money she can only hope no one sues her out of.
    FYI, she NEVER had a phone number for Roman Novak. Nanci herself stated on a call that if she or any of the other private group leaders wanted to speak with Roman they would have to notify him by e-mail ahead of time and he would set up a conference bridge where everyone involved would call in and speak to him. (can anybody say untraceable?) It was stated that the leaders did not need his phone number because he was quite responsive via e-mail (before the servers went down)
    What a crock that Nanci allowed this to occur and pumped up her group on this flimsy contact to the tune of 75,000 members and $37 million in deposits.

    Now she is silent.

    But that is not stopping her from pumping her brand new program to her database ,strongbrook, a multi-level real estate company.

    strongbrook.com

    Here is an e-mail sent out yesterday from GIR


    Dear Global Impact Resource (GIR) Alliance family,

    We know this is an uncertain time for our Alliance. As of this writing, however, we do not have anything new to pass on to you.

    As fellow participants, we feel with you, and assure you that we will communicate with you as soon as we hear anything that we can confirm as coming from a reliable source.

    Strongbrook Updates Requested:

    In the meantime, many of our Alliance members have been asking for an update on Strongbrook because they want to know more, or are consider adding the Strongbrook program to their portfolio to diversify their funds, independent of the success of any other program.

    (Not interested in Strongbrook? If this call is not of interest to you because of your uncertainty, or, you are not interested in Strongbrook, simply delete this email. Please don't unsubscribe, as this will remove you from all future GIR Alliance updates, which we know you're waiting for).

    Two Calls on Thursday:

    We're excited to tell you that the founder of Strongbrook, Kris Krohn, will be joining us as our special guest on Thursday, March 28, 3:00 pm Eastern.

    Kris will share his story about Strongbrook, and all the benefits Strongbrook offers to both clients and affiliates alike. One thing we LOVE: Strongbrook has already been evaluated by the SEC and has passed with flying colors!

    For those who cannot make the 3:00 pm call, that same evening, Thursday, March 28, 9:30 pm Eastern, Kevin Clayson, a co-founder of Strongbrook, will be with our special guest.

    Conference Call Information (the same for both calls):

    Dial: (559) 726-1300
    Code: 820165#

    We look forward to our time together with you!

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    By the way I googled it and came across a real estate blog where real estate agents were talking about it.

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/...-heard-of-them
    Last edited by tcob; 03-28-2013 at 08:39 AM.

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    Wow, NJF changes opps quicker than a stripper changes laps, and with less sincerity. Did a quick peek at Srongbrook here StrongBrook? Anyone heard of them..., which is a community of real estate professionals. Any time I think of property investing, I read a few threads at BP to banish the thought from of my mind.

    One thing she has right is the SEC knows about the owners: On July 6, 2012 the Securities and Exchange Commission filed a Complaint in federal district court against The Companies (TC), LLC (“The Companies”) and its principals, Kristoffer A. Krohn (“Kris Krohn”), Stephen R. Earl (“Earl”), and former officer, Michael K. Krohn (“Mike Krohn”) (collectively “Defendants”).

    The Companies (TC), LLC, et al.

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    WOW! She has some nerve doesn't she!

    Quote Originally Posted by tcob View Post
    FYI, she NEVER had a phone number for Roman Novak. Nanci herself stated on a call that if she or any of the other private group leaders wanted to speak with Roman they would have to notify him by e-mail ahead of time and he would set up a conference bridge where everyone involved would call in and speak to him. (can anybody say untraceable?) It was stated that the leaders did not need his phone number because he was quite responsive via e-mail (before the servers went down)
    What a crock that Nanci allowed this to occur and pumped up her group on this flimsy contact to the tune of 75,000 members and $37 million in deposits.

    Now she is silent.

    But that is not stopping her from pumping her brand new program to her database ,strongbrook, a multi-level real estate company.

    strongbrook.com

    Here is an e-mail sent out yesterday from GIR


    Dear Global Impact Resource (GIR) Alliance family,

    We know this is an uncertain time for our Alliance. As of this writing, however, we do not have anything new to pass on to you.

    As fellow participants, we feel with you, and assure you that we will communicate with you as soon as we hear anything that we can confirm as coming from a reliable source.

    Strongbrook Updates Requested:

    In the meantime, many of our Alliance members have been asking for an update on Strongbrook because they want to know more, or are consider adding the Strongbrook program to their portfolio to diversify their funds, independent of the success of any other program.

    (Not interested in Strongbrook? If this call is not of interest to you because of your uncertainty, or, you are not interested in Strongbrook, simply delete this email. Please don't unsubscribe, as this will remove you from all future GIR Alliance updates, which we know you're waiting for).

    Two Calls on Thursday:

    We're excited to tell you that the founder of Strongbrook, Kris Krohn, will be joining us as our special guest on Thursday, March 28, 3:00 pm Eastern.

    Kris will share his story about Strongbrook, and all the benefits Strongbrook offers to both clients and affiliates alike. One thing we LOVE: Strongbrook has already been evaluated by the SEC and has passed with flying colors!

    For those who cannot make the 3:00 pm call, that same evening, Thursday, March 28, 9:30 pm Eastern, Kevin Clayson, a co-founder of Strongbrook, will be with our special guest.

    Conference Call Information (the same for both calls):

    Dial: (559) 726-1300
    Code: 820165#

    We look forward to our time together with you!

    Your GIR Alliance


    By the way I googled it and came across a real estate blog where real estate agents were talking about it.

    StrongBrook? Anyone heard of them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by intheknow View Post
    WOW! She has some nerve doesn't she!
    My thoughts exactly. Glim Dropper and Gregg if you read this, I have to concur with your analysis of NJF she really is a piece of work. I am moving for Sociopath, with very poor penmanship.

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    man, yeap the company is registered with SEC, but not for offering and selling securities, they are registered as a FRAUD with flying colors.

    Are people in GIR (NJF) really that dumb or just specifically lie to their massive Christian downline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikSam View Post
    man, yeap the company is registered with SEC, but not for offering and selling securities, they are registered as a FRAUD with flying colors.

    Are people in GIR (NJF) really that dumb or just specifically lie to their massive Christian downline?
    If this takes off, it will need its own thread. Seems to be along the lines of the now defunct Nouveau Riche or any other host of real estate education companies. High priced motivational training, and if you are lucky enough to have some extra cash they will mark up a "turn key property" and bilk you for whatever you have in you wallet.

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    You can bet that Nanci Jo has a sweetheart deal with Krirs Khron or she wouldn't be offering it to GIRA members. She has over 75,000 in her group. You can bet that at least 15% of these will signup immediately which will give Strongbrook around 11,000 give or take members.

    Ken Russo look out. You've got competition for being the biggest Ponzi pimp going and she has far more people in her downline than you. I bet it is eating you up inside knowing you have been outdone by a relative new-comer to the Ponzi world.
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    I see the religion-based promoting might be a new mainstream trend in HYIP scams, after seeing how many people it can suck in just by faith and how they completely block the logic in their decisions.

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    I'm listening to the bs call right now....

    he, Kris Krohn personally thanked "Nanci Jo"....he is saying the Profitable Sunrise people need to be diversified, lol
    I can't believe I am listening to this crap!

    Before the call, people were told that this call would be discussing Strongbrook and Strongbrook only....this takes the cake...all these ProSun people came to find out about ProSun and not allowed to talk about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intheknow View Post
    I'm listening to the bs call right now....

    he, Kris Krohn personally thanked "Nanci Jo"....he is saying the Profitable Sunrise people need to be diversified, lol
    I can't believe I am listening to this crap!

    Before the call, people were told that this call would be discussing Strongbrook and Strongbrook only....this takes the cake...all these ProSun people came to find out about ProSun and not allowed to talk about it.
    In Nanci Jo's defense, she did say in her update the call would be about Strongbrook, not about PS. She said they had no new news about PS and when they did they would announce it.

    I just hope they see through her and realize all she knows is Ponzi's. You would think her followers would be catching on my now after Zeek, PC and now PS. Some are just slow to learn I guess.
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    Yes, most of the callers that got to ask questions to Strongbrook stated that they would join it once they get their "Easter Gift" from ProSun...

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    can someone post a link to a recording of that call ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlimDropper View Post
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    the three or four company names in the Czech Republic that processed bank wires for Profitable Sunrise that I was aware of, all of them listed Russian citizens as principles. Hell, it really is possible that a percentage of Pro Sun investor's money will go to refinance Cypriot bank debt.

    ...
    Can you share the names ?
    I have some infos on russian-cyprus companies involved with money laundering, I wanna see if
    it has connection to other HYIPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    You can bet that Nanci Jo has a sweetheart deal with Krirs Khron or she wouldn't be offering it to GIRA members. She has over 75,000 in her group. You can bet that at least 15% of these will signup immediately which will give Strongbrook around 11,000 give or take members.

    Ken Russo look out. You've got competition for being the biggest Ponzi pimp going and she has far more people in her downline than you. I bet it is eating you up inside knowing you have been outdone by a relative new-comer to the Ponzi world.
    I don't think Nanci Jo is gonna be in the business, any business, much longer. I'm assured she's getting some attention from some people that might just convince her to give up her downline.

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