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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    It's simply leaving out the inconvenient bits, then spin a new narrative "favorable" (or at least not hostile) to your position / side / opinion basing it on the "alternate" interpretations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kschang View Post
    It's simply leaving out the inconvenient bits, then spin a new narrative "favorable" (or at least not hostile) to your position / side / opinion basing it on the "alternate" interpretations.
    Yep,

    even using a HYIP ponzi players' reasoning, Profitable Sunrise is "not paying"

    All the rhetoric in the world can't disguise that fact, so, unless the whole point of being in a HYIP ponzi is for the pleasure of participating, it's all now just "words"
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    Just an FYI, but I will be interviewed on Jim Paris radio show this coming Sunday evening. Watch for the link on Jim's website.
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    Lynn Edgington to appear on my show live on Sunday night at 9 pm Eastern Jim Paris 24 Hour Internet Radio | James L. Paris - Christian Financial Advice The latest news on Profitable Sunrise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesParis View Post
    Lynn Edgington to appear on my show live on Sunday night at 9 pm Eastern Jim Paris 24 Hour Internet Radio | James L. Paris - Christian Financial Advice The latest news on Profitable Sunrise.
    Nancy Jo has been crowing about someone named Luke Eggelston that her PI tracked down. You should see if you can get that guy booked at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    Nancy Jo has been crowing about someone named Luke Eggelston that her PI tracked down. You should see if you can get that guy booked at the same time.
    She should demand her money back. But then she didn't really hire a PI to get the goods on anyone. These were her cronies either the Rev Jon, Tony Infiante, Dave Steckel or Paul Yerkes great investigative skills in action. Just like they did their due diligence and could not find anything negative or untrue about Roman or PS. I doubt if any of them could find their way out of a paper bag with a guide dog, compass, boy scout and a GPS system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    She should demand her money back. But then she didn't really hire a PI to get the goods on anyone. These were her cronies either the Rev Jon, Tony Infiante, Dave Steckel or Paul Yerkes great investigative skills in action. Just like they did their due diligence and could not find anything negative or untrue about Roman or PS. I doubt if any of them could find their way out of a paper bag with a guide dog, compass, boy scout and a GPS system.
    She really seems to surround herself with some not qualified people. From what I see of her writing she comes across like a dunce and I mean that not to insult dunces. I showed up after Zeek so PS was my first experience with her. I even floated the idea that she was a puppet for someone else, the stuff that comes out of her is crazy talk. Now I am convinced she is a sociopath filled with narcissism and cream cheese where a brain is supposed to be. For her to be in this much of a mess and trying to push her next deal is arrogant to say the least.

    As was pointed out yesterday any attorney worth his fat retainer would tell her. and I understand Infiante is so busy at home reading the bible that his wife has to screen all his calls. Maybe Shepcroft is serving as her counsel, he was after all on U-Tube giving wonderful tax evasion advice.
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    You can bet all of them are hating they did those YouTube Videos now, but at the time thought they were really sounding so smart. Also interesting that no-one signed the update like in the past. Also notice they don't want people filing with their state authorities. I love how they are trying to play the victim along with everyone else the conned into PS. The next 4-6 weeks are going to be very interesting, and the fireworks are about to start.
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    What I find interesting in these emails coming from NJF/GIR is the repeated mention that NO money was brought into the USA from profitable sunrise. Not the original $100 (or $200 as previously stated); not the enormous referral commissions received from the 70,000+ accounts under the non-profit 501c3 ministry charity (never has disclosed that amount), nor the $20,000 in the PS charity account. So in 9 months - NO source of passive income FROM profitable sunrise brought into the USA. But notice that does not mean the money couldn't have been withdrawn at various times from the profitable sunrise seed money, profitable sunrise commissions or from the profitable sunrise charity accounts and transferred to an OFFSHORE bank account. Perhaps such offshore bank account is set up in a legal way (i.e. international business corporation or an offshore religious charity/trust) to not only avoid (not evade) some USA taxes, but also can be stated in such a way that in fact, NO money was brought into the USA from PROFITABLE SUNRISE. There was mentioned on one of the January or February NJF conference calls where I believe Nanci stated she had been in recent contact with an offshore bank in Uruguay trying to set up debit card withdraw system - dubbed the "Impact" card. Maybe NJF has money sitting in such account, maybe not, but it is an interesting topic that may need to be further discussed. With the way the IRS is going after offshore banks and safe havens, I sure hope those who have such structures in place remember to fully disclose on their IRS tax forms. If the SEC or state agencies ever decide to go after the major promotors of profitable sunrise for selling/promoting unregistered securities, the IRS tax filings would be a good resource in their ongoing investigation. I know the "30 year financial expert" who enticed me into joining profitable sunrise made Youtube videos encouraging his downline to set up offshore structures in a legal way (I assume), specifically stating "what every you do - don't touch the money" in profitable sunrise until you have an offshore bank account tied to an international business corporation or else "you will go to prison." Looking back - although I lost a butt-load of money in the profitable sunrise scam, those videos are pure comedy (and probably self-incriminating) - and I wish they were never removed from Youtube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach & Mentor View Post
    What I find interesting in these emails coming from NJF/GIR is the repeated mention that NO money was brought into the USA from profitable sunrise. Not the original $100 (or $200 as previously stated); not the enormous referral commissions received from the 70,000+ accounts under the non-profit 501c3 ministry charity (never has disclosed that amount), nor the $20,000 in the PS charity account. So in 9 months - NO source of passive income FROM profitable sunrise brought into the USA. But notice that does not mean the money couldn't have been withdrawn at various times from the profitable sunrise seed money, profitable sunrise commissions or from the profitable sunrise charity accounts and transferred to an OFFSHORE bank account. Perhaps such offshore bank account is set up in a legal way (i.e. international business corporation or an offshore religious charity/trust) to not only avoid (not evade) some USA taxes, but also can be stated in such a way that in fact, NO money was brought into the USA from PROFITABLE SUNRISE. There was mentioned on one of the January or February NJF conference calls where I believe Nanci stated she had been in recent contact with an offshore bank in Uruguay trying to set up debit card withdraw system - dubbed the "Impact" card. Maybe NJF has money sitting in such account, maybe not, but it is an interesting topic that may need to be further discussed. With the way the IRS is going after offshore banks and safe havens, I sure hope those who have such structures in place remember to fully disclose on their IRS tax forms. If the SEC or state agencies ever decide to go after the major promotors of profitable sunrise for selling/promoting unregistered securities, the IRS tax filings would be a good resource in their ongoing investigation. I know the "30 year financial expert" who enticed me into joining profitable sunrise made Youtube videos encouraging his downline to set up offshore structures in a legal way (I assume), specifically stating "what every you do - don't touch the money" in profitable sunrise until you have an offshore bank account tied to an international business corporation or else "you will go to prison." Looking back - although I lost a butt-load of money in the profitable sunrise scam, those videos are pure comedy (and probably self-incriminating) - and I wish they were never removed from Youtube.
    Ah, but they haven't been removed from YouTube. The only thing that they did was make it unavailable to anyone accessing the videos. They are still there and are available to law enforcement when and if they want them. And there are copies on other servers that have nothing to do with YouTube for the feds to see if they want.

    I am sure all aspects of this are being looked into including offshore accounts by the authorities.
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    I wonder why LibertyReserve, STP and Egopay were not mentioned in court documents.

    I am sure SEC and courts can pressure at least SolidTrustPay, they are in canada and canada was also part of crackdown.
    And according to STP there are money in now STP-frozen account of PS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach & Mentor View Post
    What I find interesting in these emails coming from NJF/GIR is the repeated mention that NO money was brought into the USA from profitable sunrise. Not the original $100 (or $200 as previously stated); not the enormous referral commissions received from the 70,000+ accounts under the non-profit 501c3 ministry charity (never has disclosed that amount), nor the $20,000 in the PS charity account. So in 9 months - NO source of passive income FROM profitable sunrise brought into the USA. But notice that does not mean the money couldn't have been withdrawn at various times from the profitable sunrise seed money, profitable sunrise commissions or from the profitable sunrise charity accounts and transferred to an OFFSHORE bank account. Perhaps such offshore bank account is set up in a legal way (i.e. international business corporation or an offshore religious charity/trust) to not only avoid (not evade) some USA taxes, but also can be stated in such a way that in fact, NO money was brought into the USA from PROFITABLE SUNRISE. There was mentioned on one of the January or February NJF conference calls where I believe Nanci stated she had been in recent contact with an offshore bank in Uruguay trying to set up debit card withdraw system - dubbed the "Impact" card. Maybe NJF has money sitting in such account, maybe not, but it is an interesting topic that may need to be further discussed. With the way the IRS is going after offshore banks and safe havens, I sure hope those who have such structures in place remember to fully disclose on their IRS tax forms. If the SEC or state agencies ever decide to go after the major promotors of profitable sunrise for selling/promoting unregistered securities, the IRS tax filings would be a good resource in their ongoing investigation. I know the "30 year financial expert" who enticed me into joining profitable sunrise made Youtube videos encouraging his downline to set up offshore structures in a legal way (I assume), specifically stating "what every you do - don't touch the money" in profitable sunrise until you have an offshore bank account tied to an international business corporation or else "you will go to prison." Looking back - although I lost a butt-load of money in the profitable sunrise scam, those videos are pure comedy (and probably self-incriminating) - and I wish they were never removed from Youtube.
    It would not surprise me in the least to find that NJF has used one or more of Shepcroft's pals to set up one or more questionable offshore structures. I seem to remember him mentioning using a Nevada corporation (not 100%) in his tax evasion PS is great video. Many states cracked down on Nevada corporations, but they are still pushed by husksters as a panacea for tax evasion and liability protection they really don't create. Take that one step further and there are an equal number of questionable firms that tell folks you will be really bullet proof with our offshore trust combo pack.

    What troubles me the most about NJF is how she speaks/spoke about Profitable Sunrise, the things she says/said show a complete lack of understanding of either finance or the law. There is almost no way she engaged competent legal counsel to review her correspondence or to set up any of her structures, like her "charity". I suspect if the government chooses to go after her there's gonna be a lot of running mascara at the NJF house.
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    Is there any hope to teach Christians that not all alleged Christians are to be trusted? :) There are plenty of people who scam in the name of religion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kschang View Post
    Is there any hope to teach Christians that not all alleged Christians are to be trusted? :) There are plenty of people who scam in the name of religion...

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    We're trying. We are reaching out to all the church groups we can to get the word out, and I know Jim Paris is too. You also have to understand that far too many do not want to hear or heed our warnings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    We're trying. We are reaching out to all the church groups we can to get the word out, and I know Jim Paris is too. You also have to understand that far too many do not want to hear or heed our warnings.
    The thing I can't really understand is, isn't gambling frowned upon by true Christians? If so, it seems like there is an overwhelming amount of "Christians" that participate in hyip ponzi scams.

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    To them it's not gambling. It's trust in men who trust in God. (so they say)
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    Quote Originally Posted by busttheblock View Post
    The thing I can't really understand is, isn't gambling frowned upon by true Christians? If so, it seems like there is an overwhelming amount of "Christians" that participate in hyip ponzi scams.
    Not everybody is "fundamentalist" , there are many different denominations with core beliefs agreeing but still having differences.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuPn...e_gdata_player

    If this was posted previously I apologize.

    John Shepcoff says this about Profitable Sunrise: QUIT BLAMING ME. YOU WILL DIE IN MISERY!

    He seems very nervous about a YouTube video out there and keeps on saying SHAME ON YOU! as he is referring to the maker of the video.

    Question: He is pumping a new top secret program. Does anyone have info on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Former Player View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuPn...e_gdata_player

    If this was posted previously I apologize.

    John Shepcoff says this about Profitable Sunrise: QUIT BLAMING ME. YOU WILL DIE IN MISERY!

    He seems very nervous about a YouTube video out there and keeps on saying SHAME ON YOU! as he is referring to the maker of the video.

    Question: He is pumping a new top secret program. Does anyone have info on that?
    LOL, I doubt that he can hang his hat on this video to prove his innocence. All I can say is " I hope that he shares a cell with big bubba."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Former Player View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuPn...e_gdata_player

    If this was posted previously I apologize.

    John Shepcoff says this about Profitable Sunrise: QUIT BLAMING ME. YOU WILL DIE IN MISERY!

    He seems very nervous about a YouTube video out there and keeps on saying SHAME ON YOU! as he is referring to the maker of the video.

    Question: He is pumping a new top secret program. Does anyone have info on that?
    Let's not rely on secondhand information, let Mr Shepcoff do his own backpedaling.

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    Ah, but his super secret China project will get back all the cash you lost in PS. Of course this is the best program he has seen, but then he said that about Profitable Sunrise too. I especially loved how he claimed he was the only one coaching and mentoring people in PS, and his 30 year financial background is what made him know that PS was the real deal. Still my favorite line was if you made $1 Million in PS without his help you would go to prison. Now wouldn't it be a hoot if John goes to prison because of his help.
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    30 years of internet marketing experience and yet he believes a 2.1 or 2.7% a DAY compounding interest rate is possible and "couldn't wait to get to the bank ??

    C'mon, Mr Shepcoff, we've all heard of plausible deniability, but 2.7% a DAY and you not only believed it, but encouraged others to join as well ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Former Player View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuPn...e_gdata_player

    If this was posted previously I apologize.

    John Shepcoff says this about Profitable Sunrise: QUIT BLAMING ME. YOU WILL DIE IN MISERY!

    He seems very nervous about a YouTube video out there and keeps on saying SHAME ON YOU! as he is referring to the maker of the video.

    Question: He is pumping a new top secret program. Does anyone have info on that?
    Looks like pre-programming for victims not to hold him responsible, he repeated it about 10 times, "You were the one responsible".

    Well, what do we do about him brainwashing victims how great and legal PS is? misleading, misrepresentation ? - hell Yea

    Legally responsible - of course he is.

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    Oh that video was the best by far. A must watch for all PS/NJF fans. Small spoiler alert that looks something like this.

    njf.jpg

    I love how he talks about editing a video that was showing him in a bad light, blah blah blah. Well guess who is screening comments to his video, somehow I suspect any "truth", er I mean "naysaying" will end up on the cutting room floor.

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