Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

Originally Posted by NikSam

so David says he had no idea what his wife was doing ?

what about several wire transfers to Czech bank account of PS he did personally ?
was not David who opened bank accounts for FU Ministries at his bank, did not he know what she needs to do to accept donations legally ?

Niksam-have you called the prosecutors and told them? He just committed purgery if above is true.

concerning entire article:
Wow, thats the story? they are going to get real time.

If judge paid attention to complaint and motion..

Well i guess those points will come to light during the trial:

FU_David_compliant.jpg


I bet there is evidence of his direct involvement and not just blind accusations from AG ;)


Now, a real gentleman would take a fall for his wife and not hang her dry blaming it was all her fault.
On the other hand if he remains free outside, he is better deal to raise children than Nanci.

This hearing was only about whether or not they could use the $20K frozen by the state to pay their attorneys fees. The real hearing happens on September 9, and that is when it is really going to get interesting. This is when all the lies come home to roost for all of them.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

This hearing was only about whether or not they could use the $20K frozen by the state to pay their attorneys fees. The real hearing happens on September 9, and that is when it is really going to get interesting. This is when all the lies come home to roost for all of them.

Any update on what happened yesterday?

Originally Posted by ArthurWankspittle

Any update on what happened yesterday?

I haven,t seen anything yet and I am most curious also.

Guessing the short time from this date from fund release caused postponment.

In fairness, the private attorney shouldnt have done much until sure of $20k release.

From reviewing the court docket, it looks like the NJF clan had until September 9th to file an answer or otherwise plead to the plaintiffs complaint. On September 6th their attorney filed a joint answer. Don't know what the next step is.

The next step is we wait and see what is filed on the court doccket.

There was no way that Nanci Jo, David, and Albert were going to agree with the plaintiff's request of prayer for relief. They would have had to disagree with everything, or they can't play the "victim" role they are all now trying to play. Obviously they would rather pay attorneys fees than admit their guilt. Bad for recruiting for their next Ponzi de Jour.

My guess is if there is no agreement between the parties, this will go to trial in front of the judge.

I am sure the defendants response is now available to be purchased if anyone wants to read it. I am sure it will be quite the read, as would the transcript of the hearing on the 30th.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

The next step is we wait and see what is filed on the court doccket.

There was no way that Nanci Jo, David, and Albert were going to agree with the plaintiff's request of prayer for relief. They would have had to disagree with everything, or they can't play the "victim" role they are all now trying to play. Obviously they would rather pay attorneys fees than admit their guilt. Bad for recruiting for their next Ponzi de Jour.

My guess is if there is no agreement between the parties, this will go to trial in front of the judge.

I am sure the defendants response is now available to be purchased if anyone wants to read it. I am sure it will be quite the read, as would the transcript of the hearing on the 30th.

No thanks. I read only non-fiction.

When Kansas issued their Cease and Desist Order, they named Nanci Jo Frazer and her Focus Up Minitries by name. They have now fined her $25,000 and her Focus Up Ministries $25,000 for her role in Profitable Sunrise. Now the question remains will Minnesota follow suit? They too named her in their Cease and Desist Order. Time will tell if they also fine her and her ministry.

Going to be interesting to see what happens next in Ohio with her case.

Back around the end of August or the first of September, a Christoff Heinze was to have a conference call telling PS Members that he could get their money back for free as he was the only one who knew where the money was in ProSun. None of the government agencies knew about this money, only him. It seems that Christoff was the only one who knew the secret password, handshake, and had the decoder ring to access this hidden trove of money.

Stories from the call said that Christoff was a no-show and instead some guy from China did most of the talking. What was even more bizarre was some lady from Canada took over as the quasi-moderator for some strange reason who, if the story is correct, was just a member on the call.

Anyone want to share how they got their money back at no cost from Christoff's help? It seems Christoff has gone shy on us all of a sudden because his FaceBook page is no more. Yep, it is MIA. Now you don't suppose this was all a ruse do you for him to obtain an E-mail database to target them in Christoff's future scam? Nah, what was I thinking.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Back around the end of August or the first of September, a Christoff Heinze was to have a conference call telling PS Members that he could get their money back for free as he was the only one who knew where the money was in ProSun. None of the government agencies knew about this money, only him. It seems that Christoff was the only one who knew the secret password, handshake, and had the decoder ring to access this hidden trove of money.

Stories from the call said that Christoff was a no-show and instead some guy from China did most of the talking. What was even more bizarre was some lady from Canada took over as the quasi-moderator for some strange reason who, if the story is correct, was just a member on the call.

Anyone want to share how they got their money back at no cost from Christoff's help? It seems Christoff has gone shy on us all of a sudden because his FaceBook page is no more. Yep, it is MIA. Now you don't suppose this was all a ruse do you for him to obtain an E-mail database to target them in Christoff's future scam? Nah, what was I thinking.

Response I received from "Christoff" on 9/8/13:
"I apologize to hear about the Investment Loss. I'm a Mid Level Investor that was involved with Pro Sun during the earlier stages. So I made decent Monies. HYIP's can Make or Break an individual with Stress, Emotions Etc. I'm not a Private Investigator. I'm close to one of the Admins out in Russia. The Federal Government nor the SEC will give Funds back at this time. There is no Roman Novak. The Identification's were Fabricated period. There are more than Several Moving Parts pertaining to Pro Sun period. Complicated but it can be understood. I can ask the Admin to Return Funds to you not a problem. There is still $100,000,000 of Capital In Cash "Some Where" in Hong Kong. I Invested $10,000 and I was Paid Out $750,000 over the course of (1) Year. Excuses came and I had Withdraw Issues. I then Received a Deposit into Account in the amount of $250,000. I didn't receive another Red Cent which is ok with me though. I will need the following Information from you in order to get started.

Initial Deposit Amount
Date of Investment
Withdraw Dates
Withdraw Amounts
Total Investment Lost
Full Name
Contact E-Mail
Direct Telephone Number
Physical Address
Team Leaders Full Name
I will submit the Information and I will keep you Informed as time passes. I will help configure this with you. I have helped several others out in Recovering Funds but its always a Portion that gets Recovered. "Greed" that's all. But we will give it a "Try"..! There is another HYIP coming out in the near Future which the same Admins and Associates are Involved FYI. I will ask if we get a Partial Pay Out can we get Rolled Into the New Program. Just a thought.

Thank You"

Originally Posted by Coach & Mentor

Response I received from "Christoff" on 9/8/13:
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That is advanced fee fraud, my friend.
"Recover HYIP losses" style :)

Even when they say they will recover for free, something will happen on the way, they will need transaction/processing fees,
bribe someone at the bank, pay tax on the sum first, etc.. :)


There are also other dangerous services in russia, to recover losses in ponzi, and sometimes they do for % or half sum, but let me tell you how:
They will track down your upline, kidnap him, and beat the **** out of him / torture till he pays up for their services + your deposit.

There were several arrests of racketeers collecting on popular MMM-2011 ponzi in Russia after its collapse.

This "Christoff" is just a scammer, he uses public info / rumors to describe PS,
some of it signals right away he is full of ****, because he does not know some important non public details.

Did anyone else see this?

Nanci Jo Frazer WINS in Court - a Case of Innocent Ignorance - Topix

The judge ruled in Nanci & David Frazer's favor along with Albert Rosebrock (ministry board members)to release frozen funds. The FBI and the Federal government is categorizing Frazer as having suffered from a case of "innocent ignorance" as she worked for nine months doing customer support for a UK Collateral Loan company.

She was accused without proof of cashing in big with millions when the owner disappeared but it appears those accusations were completely false. According to the State of Ohio Complaint and public records, the State of Ohio SEC & Charitable Division acknowledged that the UK Company Profitable Sunrise appeared to be a legitimate business but... it was at all times relevant to them that it was a fraud.

Ohio authorities have admitted they have known this since October 2012 and failed to inform the public and especially Nanci Frazer. Frazer had to hear the news from a North Carolina Cease and Desist and she immediately terminated her group from any further participation while out on a boat on vacation on March 6th, 2013.

She was asked on February 5th to offer testimony to Ohio but no warning that any danger was in effect was offered until the day after the company closed on March 14th, 2013.

A tight group of online individuals have been targeted to be running their own bitcoin scheme- they stole Frazer's image, identity and training videos while she was on vacation and posted them on their websites to drive her group of online followers to their websites and cash in on their own fraud.

They harassed Frazer with damaging blogs live and stalked her children on live radio shows. They created false juvenile YouTube videos to discredit her from her team while her son was in critical condition.

The last straw was watching Toledo 11 Fox News put her children in harms way by airing a hateful and false, damaging, home made video story from one of the online stalkers- James L Paris is was a convicted criminal for Securities fraud(they never checked out his background).

This puts Fox Toledo News to be in position to be turned in to be put under regulators scrutiny and to be liable for a full investigation which connects them to another scam. Frazer was at the wrong place at the wrong time but lawsuits may be her best revenge. Scam Police Insider reporting

Interesting lies from Nanci supporters :)

I think Nanci Jo wrote it myself...

Originally Posted by Gregg

I think Nanci Jo wrote it myself...

do you think she would dare to post something like that herself ?

Originally Posted by NikSam

do you think she would dare to post something like that herself ?

Of course she would. Look at her Twitter post where she claims the FBI said she was "innocent, but ingnorant" and thanked her for her help. She has to do this to keep as many of her people believing in her for as long as possible that she is now the victim too just like them.

It appears that I am no longer allowed to comment in this thread. I guess you can't write a book on a topic or anything you post after that is considered an advertisement for your book. So, I will no longer be posting to RealScam and if you want to follow my updates you will have to do so over on my own website. I would say nice meeting you all, but I will be honest and say nice meeting some of you. I am sure this will be pulled down momentarily.

On the contrary, James.

Your book has been given its' own thread HERE and all comments regarding the book have been moved into that thread.

While the forum software gives us the opportunity to post redirect notices where the whole thread has been moved, it does not allow for redirect notices for individual posts within a thread.

Originally Posted by JamesParis

It appears that I am no longer allowed to comment in this thread. I guess you can't write a book on a topic or anything you post after that is considered an advertisement for your book. So, I will no longer be posting to RealScam and if you want to follow my updates you will have to do so over on my own website. I would say nice meeting you all, but I will be honest and say nice meeting some of you. I am sure this will be pulled down momentarily.

You promise?

Originally Posted by littleroundman

On the contrary, James.

Your book has been given its' own thread HERE and all comments regarding the book have been moved into that thread.

About time his advertisements were moved out of the PS thread

Originally Posted by JamesParis

It appears that I am no longer allowed to comment in this thread. I guess you can't write a book on a topic or anything you post after that is considered an advertisement for your book. So, I will no longer be posting to RealScam and if you want to follow my updates you will have to do so over on my own website. I would say nice meeting you all, but I will be honest and say nice meeting some of you. I am sure this will be pulled down momentarily.

Wow, what a self-serving ass the above reaction makes you appear to be.

A few people complain about you hijacking a thread to promote your book and you get all offended, lol.

Makes it look like you were only here to serve your own agenda of self promotion from the start.

Providing info regarding the Profitable Sunrise scam was good.

Turning the thread into a billboard for your book, which is also a way to guide people to your site and
try to sell them on your services is not good. ;)

Originally Posted by surfer

Wow, what a self-serving ass the above reaction makes you appear to be.

A few people complain about you hijacking a thread to promote your book and you get all offended, lol.

Makes it look like you were only here to serve your own agenda of self promotion from the start.

Providing info regarding the Profitable Sunrise scam was good.

Turning the thread into a billboard for your book, which is also a way to guide people to your site and
try to sell them on your services is not good. ;)

At last someone other than me gets it and sees past all of the BS from James Paris

Originally Posted by surfer

Wow, what a self-serving ass the above reaction makes you appear to be.

A few people complain about you hijacking a thread to promote your book and you get all offended, lol.

Makes it look like you were only here to serve your own agenda of self promotion from the start.

Providing info regarding the Profitable Sunrise scam was good.

Turning the thread into a billboard for your book, which is also a way to guide people to your site and
try to sell them on your services is not good. ;)

At last someone other than me gets it and sees past all of the BS from James Paris