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Really?A Life Aloft is just going to have to grow up eventually and do some scambusting or something worthwhile to make himself look less like a bitter old man and more like a well rounded individual.
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A half-truth is a whole lie.
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I'm sure he is. :)Originally Posted by Doc Bunkum
Until recently, everyone thought the owner of the forum was some guy named Zachary living in Portugal.
Threads such as Scam.com being sold and Happy Birthday,George! YOU OLD *******! helped create the deception.
But it didn't take long after Lenny showed up that everyone knew the owner of the forum was really George Dranichak and that the forum had never been sold. All his carefully laid plans for privacy and anonymity vanished, thanks mainly to Lenny's doing.
Everything with Len Clements is like a Chinese fire drill.
I mentioned before the guy has the Inverse Midas Touch. Everything he touches turns to **** rather than gold.
As I'm sure George is well aware of by now.
La Trollette
Re: George the Gorilla in That Jungle -- Scam.com
Ok, lets keep the thread on topic.
It's got nothing to do with Len Clements (except that he was the one who inadvertently brought the isssue to light).Until recently, no one gave a rip what George did or if he was Zachary or not. Only when he made the mistake of making Len the Admin did it become an issue. And that's pretty sad because Len is gone
The majority of us didnt even know about the ownership of scam.com and its owners links with the porn industry.
Now we all know and some of us do not like it one bit.
Georges site is on the list of the top 200 spammers in the world. Various options on his sites' control panels give him the opportunity to harvest emails and send out his spam. We have, for the second time in a few short months, links to porn sites in the body of our posts at scamdot.com. It isnt a question of morality - each to their own. It is because porn sites are notorious for spam and for evil wevils in their links and emails. Most people try to avoid clicking on them to keep their computers clean. And now they are on scam.com???
Seems like posting on or viewing any of Geore's sites, including scam.com will now require us to run yet another anti spam/anti spyware and anti virus program.
Dont you find that a little ironic when it concerns a "consumer protection" site?
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Oh, I was unaware that this is what passed for scambusting these days. I retract my previous comment.
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Alaysia,
I've always found it ironic to call these sites "consumer protection" sites to begin with, when the bulk of the conversations have nothing to do with protecting consumers.
I don't click links, ergo, I don't get viruses on my computer.
La Trollette
I couldnt agree with you more, Consumer Protection is hardly an adequate description of what has been going on over the past couple of years at scam.com
And you may not click links, but, luckily for George and his comrades, there are plenty of people who do.
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Yikes!"Even though SlickCash is a competitor of mine, I consider them a reputable company; and also a friend.Incredible integrity, immediate online attention via icq, and great converting websites. It is always a pleasure doing business with these guys".
George Duane Dranichak
President GuerillaTraffic.com
Soapboxmom
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And what exactly have you contributed to this site since you came here? NOTHING! Oh wait, you have lied your ass off, made excuses for yourself and for George, slammed the site, SBM and the members, baited members and the Mods and not made one worthwhile or meaningful post to date.
Interesting, that with all the thousands of sites on the internet, you come here. If anyone is bitter, it is you, Cupcake. You can't leave people or this site alone because of that. Instead you come here like an unneeded plague and continue to pull the same bullshit that many of us experienced on Scam from you. We didn't come here for Lady Bitch part duo. You are a nasty, evil person and that will never change. If anyone buys into the b.s. that you are anything else, then they don't really know what you are, your history, what you have done and continue to do.
Mods used to post at Scam as themselves all the time and even posted about doing that. They had no problems giving their opinions and joining in on plenty of threads as posters and members. So if you interested in posting about Scams or anything else, you could do that there or any other forum. So your entire statement is bullshit, as usual. Don't try and play Miss Innocent. It won't work.
A leopard does not change it's spots dear, and neither will you. You are the same condescending, lying asshole that you always were. You are nothing but the last piece of unwanted trash leftover from Scam and that is all you will ever be. You are right about one thing, this is not your playground and you have no power here. Your bullying and continued lies won't fly here, sweet cheeks.
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A) You have an odd way of defining bullying.
B) I have been as open as a person can be on this forum.
C) I've contributed posts that are probably on the same caliber as you, Dumplin'
D) I never said that Mods didn't post as themselves on scam.com. Go back and read what I said.
And since you supposedly know me so well, then if you were honest you would also know that
when an opponent has feared they are being beaten they immediately pulled the "you're the Mod" card.
I figure you were one of those opponents and still licking your wounds. It's just a forum, let it go already.
E) I still find you amusing. I find anyone that can hold onto so much hate for so long, pretty amusing.
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A) You are so accustomed to bullying and being a condescending asshole, because it is second nature to you. It's who you are. You have never been able to see your own **** behavior. Nothings changes with you.
B) You have lied your ass off.
C) You have contributed nothing here, except to be a first class bitch.
D) "You are not the Mod card?" WTF are you talking about? ROTFL! I have no "wounds" to lick. The sight of you just makes me extremely nauseated. By the way, you wil never be on "equal footing" with anyone here.
E) There is nothing amusing about your presence here, Cupcake. You will never be forgiven. Never. Get used to it.
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Maybe you need to come back to earth, aloft. You are wrong on all accounts, but why argue those facts?
See you around.
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You can't argue the facts and the truth, that's the point. Head back to your cesspool, where you belong. You still have a handful of members left there willing to kiss your humongous ass.
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And bow to your wishes? Not a chance in Hell, sweetling. I'm having too much fun. Kiss, kiss.
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Same here, Your Lowliness. You deserve whatever you get, as you are now reaping exactly what you have sown for so very long, Dumpling. Karma is a real bitch, much like yourself, Doublewide Cakes.
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LOL......And, what exactly am I reaping that is so Karmatic?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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ROTFL! You play the poor widdle innocent victim again? Sorry, that **** won't fly with most of us. Hmmmmm let's see.....how about all the posts, emails, pms and proof (of which they held back plenty) provided by former Scam Mods and members on the Quataloos forum in three threads and here on several threads. Turning a blind eye and pretending that none of your behavior ever happened won't help your pathetic self now, bitch. The truth has been posted and posted ad nauseum. It's been made public and everyone has read the information. Everyone has witnessed your abuse and your pathetic, lame abilities as a Mod. You're a joke. A bad joke. You got beaten so badly, that you contacted Tom and begged for a truce. Then you turned around (no suprprise considering what kind of an asshole you really are) and broke that truce. There is no escape for what you have done and continue to do. You know exactly what I mean. Your little game playing bullshit isn't working too well is it? You cannot undo the past nor the present. There are no do overs for you, Cupcake. Keep up the lying, phony facade. Let's see how well that goes. LMAO!
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Look, LM will come back with a few more sweetie's and one liners, you'll continue to reference herpes and call her names ALA...
Why don't we just skip a few steps and both of you put each other on ignore?
As for George and his spamming and links to porn... it's George's life. It's George's site. He pays the bills, he has the right to do whatever he wants with his website. If he wants to make money by pushing porn and spamming people, that's his choice. I don't see why so many of you care so much. And in all the years I've been a member of scam, never once have I received any porn spam caused by my membership there.
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Ahh, I see your reading comprehension skills aren't too sharp. I did NOT ask what evidence was brought against me that made me good or bad, evil or not. And I haven't begged anyone for a truce, not at all. Though that is irrelevant.
The question was, and read carefully and slowly now so you don't miss it.
"And, what exactly am I reaping that is so Karmatic?"
When you can manage to answer the question, pumpkin, let me know.
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All this boils down to trust, integrity and honesty. All that evidence you mentioned tells folks exactly who has been honest and can be trusted. Need I say more???
Soapboxmom
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Let's look at just a few of your recent lies and b.s. behavior from Scam for instance, Bitch: (Your Responses Bolded)
Originally Posted by cyclemaster
No, Len it has absolutely nothing to do with traffic since it is clear the traffic is going down and more to do with spam bots and not administrating the forum. I heard SBM was amazing at doing the dirty work and keeping the bots at bay, but ever since she was banned it appears that these types of issues no longer get attention. Maybe shoot her an email and she will give you some insight on how to clean up this issue.
"Mumbles kept them at bay. I think you ought to be listening to something else for awhile.
In an email to me just a few weeks ago she said she was only on here a few hours a day. Now if she was telling the truty, and why wouldn't she, then she couldn't have spent near the time she was spending busting scams and cleaning the forum."
Originally Posted by wishfulthinking
You are? I've been reading about Broker Jones and reading his own spiel for some time now. Then I see a thread deleted and another thread defending his right to protection from personal attacks. Broker Jones is only his online brand name - his business identity and that is the only thing I saw questioned. Since when did scam.com give the benefit of the doubt to someone who, at best, has been an abject failure in his business judgements and certainly not an example to follow, in favor of those who write here to try to warn people against schemes that, apart from probably being illegal, will almost certainly cause them to lose money?
"I was asked if that thread could be deleted because it was attacks on the man, not the business. I ALLOWED it after skimming through the thread, because I KNOW there are many members here who could expose that business as a scam while staying within the new rules."
Originally Posted by Hopeful Cynic
Sorry LM, but if you can forgive a South Park reference then I'm calling Shenanigans on your post.
A link to the thread in question is right here. Perhaps you can donate some of your time to support what you have posted here by providing quotes from the thread you mentioned to support your comments here. Did anyone claim that you banned No_Mo or that if someone else hadn't done it that you would have?
Call Shenanigans all you want Hopeful, the PM is quoted verbatum below:
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Originally Posted by No_Moron_Here
Thank you and actually she did lie.
Without getting into a pissing match, she's one of the most ego driven people I know. Not ONCE did she thank us for cleaning up the site or trying to restore or maintain order. Rather she returned to the site only after she resigned (the one she allowed to be totally overridden with spam and crap during her watch. Once cleaned up, she returned to reclaim her crown. She undermined us at every turn and is continuing to do so. She has unbanned people, she has deleted important threads out of pure spite that she knows Soapboxmom needed for her current litigation, and she's just plain an unpleasant woman and hateful to the core. Not only do I totally despise her, but what's worse is I don't respect her one bit. When she banned SBM, the majority of the mods left. She also ran off most of the past mods including a great supermod, Subjunk. He couldn't deal with her either. View the "forum leaders" list over at scam.com. Of all of those listed, there are only two active mods left, mumbles and Blue Crab. The rest retired or resigned with the exception of Katies Corner who does nothing. Most of THAT is all Lady Mod's doings, not George's. Hopeful Cynic, SBM, and Biblman left because of her and only because of her.
As you can clearly see from her message, she still has to get in her digs. She's evil and she is now paying the price. But it's only just begun. As for my ego, it's intact. I did the right thing by attempting to protect the membership. She could have cared less as long as her "majesty" was addressed properly. I knew the consequences of banning Lenny so I resigned the minute I banned him, changed my signature line, deactived my email account, and shut off my PMs. It took two weeks before I was banned, the very day Len was made an ADMIN. I'm not bitter, I'm pissed. We were betrayed, all of us as members.
Sounds like sour apples doesn't it? And my dig was to the Admin's and Owner's tender egos. Not his.
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First, does any post in that thread claim that our esteemed Bibleman left because of you? Second, while I'm sure you know him better than I do one thing I did know in relation to him is that he never wished to make his military service a topic on this forum. It isn't that he isn't proud of his service, he has an exceeding right to be proud of it but as I was made to understand it was his choice not to make his duty status an issue on this forum. I took that as the kind of humility and sense of honor that makes me proud of the taxes I pay to fund men like him. I could be mistaken in how he expressed a desire to keep that very admirable aspect of his life off this board but if I'm not then why is your post the only one I'm aware of that identifys him as such?
Didn't make it a topic, stated it as fact why he decided he must quit. I would have liked to have left him and the other Mods out of it, but you all are having quite a good time discussing my motives and actions on another board.
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"Many" is a relative term as I'm sure you'd agree. At least "some" of the moderators who left did so for a variation of the very same reason you yourself once most publicly did. Frustration with the owner.
I don't blame any that do, just don't blame me for it. I've had 5 years of frustration with the man, most of them have barely been around to know what true frustration is concerning the lack of communication.
The ones doing most of the complaining have only moderated what? A year? Going on 2? My heart bleeds for them, but not much.
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I posted a link to the Quatloos thread you mentioned so anyone with interest can compare what was said in that thread against what you claimed was said. Perhaps you can return that favor by providing links showing how the "two of them" broke the rules or applied them only with selective prejudice. I for one would like to see you substantiate your allegation. I can't speak for them but suspect the concern you express is misplaced.
If that is in fact their biggest problem then I expect a fairly stress free life for the both of them. But a better question might be, especially because a site like this one has no need for people like them, why do you feel the need to run them down the way you do? I mean there is a high road and there's nothing to stop you from taking it, but it still remains your choice. Why didn't you choose to take it?
I might ask the same question? The very first post by No Moron on the link you provide calls me a liar, questions my integrity, says I undermined them just to name a few things.
There's a high road? Really? Hopeful, I didn't leave the site and spend the last two weeks running it down because I didn't like the choice of Admin made here from the safety of another site. Maybe you should have a talk with them. I'm doing the job I was asked to do here, nothing more.
Like I mentioned before in this thread, Change is good, it has a way of sifting the chaff from the wheat and apparently most if it blew over to Quatloos where it continues to stew and make disgruntled posts.
Scam.com hasn't fallen apart. Instead of 10-12 complaints to my email address on a daily basis, now all I get is 2 at most. The doom and gloom they predict hasn't happened, imagine that? Despite what they would wish, this site will recover from any errors that have been made just like it has over the last 5 years. Of that, I have NO doubts.
BTW Heather and Tom,
Glad to see you kept the PM's. For what little they prove, it does show that you make regular visits back to this site. Thanks for boosting the stats.
Mumbles settled back down and I retracted the request he be removed.
You are very strange people to keep so many private messages. What do you do, keep them in a scrap book? Geez! Go through them daily to justify your reason for being?
Do either of you actually have a life beyond revenge and keeping stuff to post on websites?
Heather, I'm more than a biller, that's just one small job description I have at the clinic. I never claimed to be an expert in the medical field so I don't know what all your uproar is over whatever I post about anything in the medical field. I post my opinion and experience and whatever articles I post I include links to the references to the studies and articles about them.
You are by far, nothing close to being an expert in the MLM or legal field, yet take on airs because of 1 win, that you are? Maybe what is posted about you all over the Internet has some truth to it after all and I'm sure that must sting.
Happy posting you two. Some of us have work to tend to, cant sit at home all day OCDing on year old PM's and posts like people with revenge on their hearts seem prone to do.
From Hopeful Cynic:
I quoted you complaining that a specific thread over at Qualoos was filled with "half truths" and proceeding to provide, presumably examples of those half truths. I was merely pointing out that nothing in that thread (at that time) corresponded to what you were complaining about.
Sour apples perhaps, but certainly not an apples to apples comparison. The PM you quoted is not now, or then for that matter, a part of that thread on Quatloos so I fail to see how it supports your original contention.
My point was that a man who I'm quite certain is well respected by both of us asked me, and I presume you as well, to keep one aspect of his life private from this forum. In a seeming effort to discredit people critical of you, you violated that request. I find that in poor taste.
Yes, by all means let the FULL story be heard. But I linked to the second thread because it is the one you specifically complained about and who's content I believe you were misrepresenting. But thanks to your posts here new content has been added to that thread, if you choose to comment further it shouldn't be difficult for you to criticize what is actually posted there without needing to invent things.
Nothing more? You're amplifying the voices of your critics and despite the position of prominence you enjoy on this forum you seem intent on proving you are not morally superior to them. It's not very compelling to complain about them taking shots at you and getting their dig's in on another forum when you do the same to them on this forum. I'm sure 95% of the people reading the respective allegations get the same glazed look in their eyes that they'd get from witnessing an argument between a lobster pot pirate and a fishmonger's wife. I think both sides would improve their position by letting the matter drop. But you are the one in a position of authority on this forum, you have nothing to gain in this argument and unlike them, something to lose. Think about it.
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I posted a link to the Quatloos thread you mentioned so anyone with interest can compare what was said in that thread against what you claimed was said. Perhaps you can return that favor by providing links showing how the "two of them" broke the rules or applied them only with selective prejudice. I for one would like to see you substantiate your allegation.
Anyone who has been on this forum for the last year and read any number of threads knows what I am referring to. I see you only linked the second thread on Quatloos, here's the first:
http://quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopi...st=0&sk=t&sd=a
Let's give them the FULL story.
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I can't speak for them but suspect the concern you express is misplaced.
If that is in fact their biggest problem then I expect a fairly stress free life for the both of them. But a better question might be, especially because a site like this one has no need for people like them, why do you feel the need to run them down the way you do? I mean there is a high road and there's nothing to stop you from taking it, but it still remains your choice. Why didn't you choose to take it?
I might ask the same question? The very first post by No Moron on the link you provide calls me a liar, questions my integrity, says I undermined them just to name a few things.
There's a high road? Really? Hopeful, I didn't leave the site and spend the last two weeks running it down because I didn't like the choice of Admin made here from the safety of another site. Maybe you should have a talk with them. I'm doing the job I was asked to do here, nothing more.
Like I mentioned before in this thread, Change is good, it has a way of sifting the chaff from the wheat and apparently most if it blew over to Quatloos where it continues to stew and make disgruntled posts.
Scam.com hasn't fallen apart. Instead of 10-12 complaints to my email address on a daily basis, now all I get is 2 at most. The doom and gloom they predict hasn't happened, imagine that? Despite what they would wish, this site will recover from any errors that have been made just like it has over the last 5 years. Of that, I have NO doubts.
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Originally Posted by fastmoney
Some advice..
Make sure you understand your instructions... Because Len is going to push every single one of them to fit his needs and wants.. and then cry foul when you don't let him do what he wants to do..
Then he will deal with Zachary who has less patience than I do. When I was gone for an extended period before and SBM and No_Moron were complaining to Zachary about my heavy hand when I came back because I had gotten several emails about them were banning other moderators, this is what Zachary wrote to me:
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Originally Posted by Zachary
Good to have you back. If any of these mods suck, let me know, I'll get rid of them.
He admitted the site looked much better since he mass hired them. But he wasn't looking for anyone to override my authority, I've been with him a long time. I'm the only Moderator on the site that never applied for the position. I was the first and only person who was asked to moderate.
Originally Posted by sojustask
Doc Bunkin is... such an attention whore.
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Doc's response:
Excuse me? BTW, the last name is Bunkum - not Bunkin
Whatever you wish, Cupcake.
Attention whore, you most definitely are. Only an attention whore instigates, makes trouble and disturbs **** and simply because they want the attention doing all of that awards them.
Sorry sweetie, but your behavior definitely fits the description.
Famous last words, hey Dumplin'?
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Originally Posted by Bruceinvt
I agree that some may 'work'. But you have to admit that many supplement/nutritional companys way exaggerate what they will/can do. Cure cancer, cure diabetes etc. Those of you with product you trust should go after the scammers - and if not you personally then the companies you are involved with should take a pro -active stance or you are all tarred by the same brush.
Bruce,
The problem is, nutritional supplements can and do cure cancer and diabetes. But it takes a lot more of it than what you can ingest orally on a daily basis and I don't care how good your product is.
However, it is half the equation. I've seen cancer reversed by Vitamin C and Hydrogen peroxide IV therapies, COPD reversed using Hydrogen peroxide therapy along with vitamin IV's.
If you are already ill, taking supplements won't hurt, but taking anything orally is more for prevention than cure. You have to bypass the stomach and go directly into the veins and organs to do the most good.
Chemo and radiation kills healthy cells along with the bad. When they say "survived" cancer they aren't kidding. It's a bloody miracle after chemo or radiation that the patient survived at all.
How ignorant are you?? ROTFL! And when asked by a poster you were in the medical industry, you simply replied "Yes". Too bad you didn't tell him you are an insurance claims billing clerk. lmao
Originally Posted by Live&Learn
Are you in the medical industry?
Actually, yes.
Originally Posted by Bruceinvt
I agree that some may 'work'. But you have to admit that many supplement/nutritional companys way exaggerate what they will/can do. Cure cancer, cure diabetes etc. Those of you with product you trust should go after the scammers - and if not you personally then the companies you are involved with should take a pro -active stance or you are all tarred by the same brush.
Bruce,
The problem is, nutritional supplements can and do cure cancer and diabetes. But it takes a lot more of it than what you can ingest orally on a daily basis and I don't care how good your product is.
However, it is half the equation. I've seen cancer reversed by Vitamin C and Hydrogen peroxide IV therapies, COPD reversed using Hydrogen peroxide therapy along with vitamin IV's.
If you are already ill, taking supplements won't hurt, but taking anything orally is more for prevention than cure. You have to bypass the stomach and go directly into the veins and organs to do the most good.
Chemo and radiation kills healthy cells along with the bad. When they say "survived" cancer they aren't kidding. It's a bloody miracle after chemo or radiation that the patient survived at all.
How ignorant are you?? ROTFL! And when asked by a poster you were in the medical industry, you simply replied "Yes". Too bad you didn't tell him you are an insurance claims billing clerk. lmao
Originally Posted by Live&Learn
Are you in the medical industry?
Actually, yes.
La Trollette
I don't get it either. Thought this was a thread about George's porn sites and the fact that scam.com is owned by a spammer and porn broker.
What happened that it turned into another thread about sojustask?
It's not our fault that he screwed up with google adwords and has lost that revenue. It was 100% avoidable. And for that we have to have a supposed consumer protection site full of porn links?
It doesnt matter what sojustak or anyone else thinks about consumer protection sites - it is what scam.com holds itself out to be. The one who should be answering the question is its owner.
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If you've never had a friend you gave your word to, and kept, then you don't really understand the stakes. So no, what you posted is irrelevant. It still does not answer my question.
Where is the Karma that I've reaped? Am I really worse off today than I was 5 years ago? Not because of anything that has transpired on these boards or over at scam. So, where is all this Karma?
I'm interested in knowing what it is that I've supposedly reaped that so dire. Just call me curious.
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Would you like a hundred other examples? There are dozens and dozens of posts, pms and emails posted on the three Quataloos threads exposing you for what you are. There are dozens more in several threads right on this site. Short term memory loss, Cupcake? You read them all, because you used another member to send messages to a former Mod, whining. Yet you refused to come to that forum. You even lied about not being able to register there and being banned. Wserra, posted the truth....you had lied yet again and totally made that little fairy tale up. You are a coward. But then, most bullies are.
You have no morals, no integrity, no ethics, no courage, no character, no conscience and no values. You can never be trusted. You lie like a fricking rug daily. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in your fat ass. Not to mention, that you were and are total worthless **** as a Mod on Scam. You have the credibility of dog ****.
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Well aren't you special aloft, you can save old conversations.
However, you still seem to have problems answering a question that was in response to your very own comments.
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