Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by Dreamstealer

Hopefully this horrible scam won't ruin too many lives. Even the greedy stupid and insane need sympathy. The scammers can rot in hell. Or even better a jail cell.

Not a problem! Sympathy can be found between "sh*t" and "syphilis" in the dictionary...!( This is directed at those "victims" that participate in any more than 1 scam!)

Originally Posted by littleroundman

I don't know the laws in the UK and history tells us the UK authorities are unlikely to take action, but, unless he can provide evidence of seeking legal advice as to the legitimacy of Banners Broker before he accepted his claimed millions in recruitment commissions, Ian Driscoll has effectively convicted himself of direct involvement in the massive, multi million dollar fraud that is Banners Broker.

In legal terms, Driscoll "knew, or should have known" Banners Broker was an illegal ponzi fraud BEFORE he started accepting recruitment commissions and made such public statements WRT the legitimacy and legality of the Banners Broker "opportunity"

Particularly in the USA, the fact he DID accept commissions and DID very publicly promote Banners Broker would mean unless he could provide verifiable proof he sought and obtained legitimate legal opinion as to the legitimacy of the opportunity he so very publicly promoted, ( and accepted money for doing so) he would find himself in some deep doo doo without a defense

Here is what I believe SHOULD happen with respect to Ian Driscoll's claim. It should be dismissed in its entirety and his contract should be voided as you can't have a contract for an illegal enterprise. That he would hire attorneys, or they would take his money for this nonsense speaks volumes for the type of people that seem to run in these circles.

What happens is anyone's guess, but Banners Broker affiliates NOW is the time to act if you ever hope to see justice.


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An open message to Banners Broker Affiliates...

These people that call themselves "internet inforpreneurs" or something similar are nothing but snake oil peddlers. They are not "BB Millionaires", they are either common criminals who now hope to blow you off, or were too stupid to detect despite all the evidence that this was a scam. Either way are they the ones you want to be listening to now? Do they have anything constructive to offer other than put on your happy face and cross your fingers?

What did the "trolls" detect over two years ago that these "passive income work from anywhere" experts missed?

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Here is what I believe SHOULD happen with respect to Ian Driscoll's claim. It should be dismissed in its entirety and his contract should be voided as you can't have a contract for an illegal enterprise. That he would hire attorneys, or they would take his money for this nonsense speaks volumes for the type of people that seem to run in these circles.

What happens is anyone's guess, but Banners Broker affiliates NOW is the time to act if you ever hope to see justice.


What Is an Illegal Contract? Illegal Contract Lawyers | LegalMatch Law Library

An illegal contract is a contract that was made for an illegal purpose and, consequently, violates the law. Contracts are illegal if the performance or formation of the agreement will cause the parties to engage in activity that is illegal. The illegality must relate directly to the subject matter creation of the contract and not some intervening circumstance.
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An open message to Banners Broker Affiliates...

These people that call themselves "internet inforpreneurs" or something similar are nothing but snake oil peddlers. They are not "BB Millionaires", they are either common criminals who now hope to blow you off, or were too stupid to detect despite all the evidence that this was a scam. Either way are they the ones you want to be listening to now? Do they have anything constructive to offer other than put on your happy face and cross your fingers?

What did the "trolls" detect over two years ago that these "passive income work from anywhere" experts missed?

And still don't want you to know!

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Here is what I believe SHOULD happen with respect to Ian Driscoll's claim. It should be dismissed in its entirety and his contract should be voided as you can't have a contract for an illegal enterprise. That he would hire attorneys, or they would take his money for this nonsense speaks volumes for the type of people that seem to run in these circles.

He knew it all along. He has since moved on to another scam, Flexkom, where he is the "UK Country Manager". Rockwell Partners was in there for a while too but that one already collapsed.

How could the courts possibly award a known Ponzi pimp with money stolen from the people he recruited into the scam?!!!!!

I wonder what will happen to Chris Smith (if that's his real name), Ron Anderson (Rob Pirie), and the other obvious scam artists. While Toronto is looking for the missing millions, will they also go after the culprits? Perhaps they have some personal assets that can be liquidated. That would be justice, as they should not keep their stolen money. Will the Ontarian government start a criminal investigation, if only as a deterrent for them (or someone else) to repeat their scam?

Any comments would be appreciated. Thank you!

Fifty-two guests I see.......Hope you find some real information here..........

Well, well...............Ms Kathy Kilbey has finally thrown the towel in with BB. And my understanding is that she was a big recruiter for BB, and that one of her catches included our old pal from the south west, Nigel Albright. I'm told that he has already moved on and is dabbling in DS Domination and Leafit (both questionable ventures in my view).

Oh, and Kathy - your £500k "legacy wallet" never really existed you know. It was all monopoly money from the start.

I'll repeat that - IT DIDN'T EXIST. You NEVER had £500k in any wallet, legacy or otherwise. No matter what the evidence placed before you, you still pressed on and insisted it was real. Bet you feel a bit of a twit now. I hope you do. I've never set myself up as any sort of internet marketing guru, but I knew it was all fakery as soon as I heard about it.

How come you didn't, eh?

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It's a funny thing, isn't it? Suddenly, people who once defended BB to the hilt, who pushed it, recruited for it and defended it, are now rushing in the opposite direction and either bemoaning their fate or badmouthing BB. And their mealy-mouthed "I feel sorry for people who have wasted their time, oh woe is me, I never guessed" act cuts no ice with me.

I have no sympathy for any of them. None

What sympathy did they show when they were recruiting others? When they went to meetings and told people everything was great and that they were guaranteed to make money, of what were they thinking? What common sense did they display, even when evidence was placed before them to show that Bb didn't work, couldn't work, was all fakery and rubbish? They were quick enough then to turn on people like us and call us "haters" or "trolls" or say we didn't understand the BB system.

The problem was, we DID understand the BB system - and that's why we said it was just one big fake!

So, you former BB fans, lovers and affiliates, you can drop the act. If you have any decency, you will apologise to those you led into this, and you will consider most carefully how you can start to repair some of the damage. Most of all, you won't repeat your mistakes and do the same again with something else.

But the cynic in me wonders how long it will be before we see some of the same names cropping up again with the next "big thing". Some have already skipped off, as we know, to MAPS and IML and Flexcom and Ripplin (remember those?), and many other things. The cycle of hope and misery will no doubt continue. I just hope that more people will have learned a bitter lesson this time and they won't be fooled again. But I fear that is a vain hope.

And to those innocents who have had their fingers burned, remember this....

1. There is no easy way to make money without working.
2. There are people out there who will pose as friends in order to get you to join a scheme.
3. There are people out these who only exist to try to part you from your money. They don't care if it's your last £100 or if it's your redundancy money or if it's the £3,000 your grandad left you. They will take it all the same.
4. If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is

Originally Posted by Mr. Anderson

I wonder what will happen to Chris Smith (if that's his real name), Ron Anderson (Rob Pirie), and the other obvious scam artists. While Toronto is looking for the missing millions, will they also go after the culprits? Perhaps they have some personal assets that can be liquidated. That would be justice, as they should not keep their stolen money. Will the Ontarian government start a criminal investigation, if only as a deterrent for them (or someone else) to repeat their scam?

Any comments would be appreciated. Thank you!

It largely depends on how aggressively BB affiliates pursue those that stole their money.

There are a lot of people responsible for making this scam possible who need to have civil and legal complaints filed against them. Otherwise they will simply slink away and put up U-Tubes for the next recruiting scheme. The good graces of their marks keeps them in business.

As for recovering money, a lot of scam promoters are deadbeats and/or liars. History tells us these sort of people often lie about how much they make. If they do make any money, they often piss it away as fast as it comes in. Any recovery is a bonus. Ian Driscoll brought $30,000,000 into Banners Broker based on his suit, we can safely assume he can be sued for that much civilly by his victims. Extrapolating at 10% commission, Waters, Gerbil, and Sills could be sued for millions for the money they helped to steal. (It may be no easy lift, but all these people hold themselves out to be "experts" of some flavor.)

One glaring error ALL these thieves made was putting their pictures out there for the authorities to locate. aka Chris Smith seems too stupid to be running this thing, but may be smart enough to roll on the people who hired him. All the dominoes are lining up, BB affiliates need to realize what has happened and be willing to act persistently.

Denial:

Denial is probably one of the best known defense mechanisms, used often to describe situations in which people seem unable to face reality or admit an obvious truth (i.e. "He's in denial."). Denial is an outright refusal to admit or recognize that something has occurred or is currently occurring. Drug addicts or alcoholics often deny that they have a problem, while victims of traumatic events may deny that the event ever occurred.

Denial functions to protect the ego from things that the individual cannot cope with. While this may save us from anxiety or pain, denial also requires a substantial investment of energy. Because of this, other defenses are also used to keep these unacceptable feelings from consciousness.

In many cases, there might be overwhelming evidence that something is true, yet the person will continue to deny its existence or truth because it is too uncomfortable to face.

Denial can involve a flat out rejection of the existence of a fact or reality. In other cases, it might involve admitting that something is true, but minimizing its importance. Sometimes people will accept reality and the seriousness of the fact, but they will deny their own responsibility and instead blame other people or other outside forces.

Addiction is one of the best-known examples of denial. People who are suffering from a substance abuse problem will often flat-out deny that their behavior is problematic. In other cases, they might admit that they do use drugs or alcohol, but will claim that this substance abuse is not a problem.

Can I direct your attention to this excellent posting over on the BB Ponzi Scam FB page?

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Mr Driver has helpfully captured some screen shots of the discussion over at Talking BB. I found it absolutley fascinating and amazing - and not in a good way!

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John Ashe, I think that you are an idiot.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

John Ashe, I think that you are an idiot.

The guy has no alternative but to make statements like that.

Can you for a second imagine one of the remaining Banners Broker faithful coming out and saying:

"You know what, I have been waiting for 2 years to receive a payment from Banners Broker and I have to admit I was wrong all along, Banners Broker has been a ponzi fraud the whole time, the naysayers were 100% correct in their analysis and they have prevented thousands of potential victims finding themselves in the situation I find myself in"

Never happen, Della, never happen.

Wonder what Paul McCarthy is up to these days. Some mention of him in Sunday world newspaper.
You going to give that 5 - 7% back to your victims Paul?

Court hunts 'pyramid scheme' cash / Sunday World

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Here is what I believe SHOULD happen with respect to Ian Driscoll's claim. It should be dismissed in its entirety and his contract should be voided as you can't have a contract for an illegal enterprise. That he would hire attorneys, or they would take his money for this nonsense speaks volumes for the type of people that seem to run in these circles.

What happens is anyone's guess, but Banners Broker affiliates NOW is the time to act if you ever hope to see justice.


What Is an Illegal Contract? Illegal Contract Lawyers | LegalMatch Law Library

An illegal contract is a contract that was made for an illegal purpose and, consequently, violates the law. Contracts are illegal if the performance or formation of the agreement will cause the parties to engage in activity that is illegal. The illegality must relate directly to the subject matter creation of the contract and not some intervening circumstance.
==========================================

An open message to Banners Broker Affiliates...

These people that call themselves "internet inforpreneurs" or something similar are nothing but snake oil peddlers. They are not "BB Millionaires", they are either common criminals who now hope to blow you off, or were too stupid to detect despite all the evidence that this was a scam. Either way are they the ones you want to be listening to now? Do they have anything constructive to offer other than put on your happy face and cross your fingers?

What did the "trolls" detect over two years ago that these "passive income work from anywhere" experts missed?

By claiming BBI owes him $3mil he is stating that he was personally responsible for conning thousands of people into this scam. He is as guilty as Chris and should be awarded the same fate - restitution (not a monetary award from the courts) to the victims and jail time. The $6 mil plus that the receiver has belongs to the victims in the scam - not Driscoll or Chris or anybody else that promoted this scam.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

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John Ashe, I think that you are an idiot.

A sick idiot !!

Originally Posted by ianthescammer

Every online business is abused in the same way

really dude? THAT'S what you're going with? I'm pretty sure eBay and Amazon can show people their books and not make up imaginary people they allegedly work with like 'the blind auction' or 'the blind bookstore'. lmao. what a tool.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Can I direct your attention to this excellent posting over on the BB Ponzi Scam FB page?

BB FB PS 3rd Sept.jpg

Mr Driver has helpfully captured some screen shots of the discussion over at Talking BB. I found it absolutley fascinating and amazing - and not in a good way!

I red it all....imagine a passenger and captain speaking while Titanic is sinking:

Passenger - Captain ,half of the ship is under the water???

Captain - You are watching in wrong direction.If you would watch correctly ,you would see that other part is well above sea level....and look the ship's propeller
how fascinating clean they are.

Passenger - but Sir...people are jumping into the water ????

Captain - yes I know...probably heating in cabins is to strong and they wanted some refreshment ...or think they could reach USA coast faster then this
amazing ship...idiots.

Passenger - Sir....am I wrong or we do not move any more?????

Captain - ...if you watch the stars while we do move,you would have the same impression as now...it's not important the fact do we move or not but only how
and where you look my dear.

Originally Posted by Ken Roklin

By claiming BBI owes him $3mil he is stating that he was personally responsible for conning thousands of people into this scam. He is as guilty as Chris and should be awarded the same fate - restitution (not a monetary award from the courts) to the victims and jail time. The $6 mil plus that the receiver has belongs to the victims in the scam - not Driscoll or Chris or anybody else that promoted this scam.

ALL the people at this level are guilty and their income claims SHOULD come back to haunt them. Only a bloody idiot would try to recover funds obtained in an illegal enterprise in a courtroom, yet here we are.

We have all known for some time BB leadership was breaking numerous laws all predicated on affiliates being lead by idiots. Look at how some of these people are still gushing over Jamie's "genius", hell I would venture there are a few that would love to carry Simon's baby.

Originally Posted by Jamie "mommy can I have a samwich" Waters

In all the documents I've read, it not once questions BB legitimacy as a business or a business model

He really must not have looked past the first post of this thread.

I got a PM from a member wanting more info. This comp plan certainly sets off many red flags. I am told Alertpay blocked deposits. Using Alertpay is a red flag in and of itself. How they double one's money is a question that deserves some research. The mansions and cars are another huge red flag. No legitimate companies solicit like this.

Are the ads just a fig leaf cover of a product for a towering pyramid? MLM marketer Dr. Lieven is said to be pushing this. He also pushed PAS. 'nough said!

Soapboxmom http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-b...onzi-scam-897/

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Or read this guy's analysis...

One thing is for certain, you will soon see that actually, yes, it is possible NOT to make money with the Banners Broker system. The real one, anyway. These ads produce only an industry standard return, nothing like what would be required to turn a bunch of third party investors in to millionaires. Banners Broker Scam Update « Finch Sells

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No receiver should reward any of these scumbags a dime, much less 1/2 going to Driscoll. That said, if I as an affiliate, I wouldn't leave it to chance, I would make sure the receiver heard my story.

Crazy stuff does happen in courtrooms every day, some of it may even be true. 6 Famous 'Frivolous Lawsuit' Stories That Are Total B.S. | Cracked.com

Originally Posted by ribshaw

It largely depends on how aggressively BB affiliates pursue those that stole their money.

There are a lot of people responsible for making this scam possible who need to have civil and legal complaints filed against them. Otherwise they will simply slink away and put up U-Tubes for the next recruiting scheme. The good graces of their marks keeps them in business.

Thanks for your answer. I'm afraid that the Ontario government is only looking to recuperate those $6.8 million from the Isle of Man. In the mean while, there's many millions more missing. I suspect that the culprits will lie low, find another scapegoat, and start over again with the money they scammed. Unless they're being brought to justice. Weren't some of them already involved with earlier schemes?

I've never been a BB/SP affiliate, so I can't file a complaint. But for anyone else, I'd recommend to file for compensation AND report them anonymously at Crimestoppers. Especially now they're under investigation. Just a few minutes work, but it's worth it to prevent future damage, help to recuperate losses, and for the gratification as well. :)

Originally Posted by littleroundman

The guy has no alternative but to make statements like that.

Can you for a second imagine one of the remaining Banners Broker faithful coming out and saying:

"You know what, I have been waiting for 2 years to receive a payment from Banners Broker and I have to admit I was wrong all along, Banners Broker has been a ponzi fraud the whole time, the naysayers were 100% correct in their analysis and they have prevented thousands of potential victims finding themselves in the situation I find myself in"

Never happen, Della, never happen.

Oh, I know LRM, it won't happen. But they could just keep their gob shut and say nothing. Remember the saying "It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, rather than open it and remove all doubt!"

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Oh, I know LRM, it won't happen. But they could just keep their gob shut and say nothing. Remember the saying "It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, rather than open it and remove all doubt!"

we need the entertainment.

I wonder if Little Jamie is thinking ahead...........??

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(Oh and Jamie, sweetie, if you lend or borrow money from anyone without a written agreement, you are heading for trouble when the time comes to pay it back.

"Neither a borrower nor a lender be / For loan oft loses both itself and friend" - Hamlet by William Shakespeare.

Or in this case: "Neither a banners broker nor affiliate be / For membership oft parts you from your cash / And when you seek your due return /There shall be woe and all your hopes to dash" )

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Well at least they are polite & have apologised for any inconvenience.

If you are gonna be scammed they might as well try to make the experience as nice as possible.

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The explanation is simple pal YOU HAVE BEEN SCAMMED!!!

As I was idly scanning the BB Facebook page today, I noticed something quite interesting about many of the commenters. Only a handful, if that, had more than 50 FB "friends". Many had none.

I guess I'm being naive, but I would have hoped that "internet entrepreneurs" like this happy band, would have a rich network of contacts. Or were they just hoop jumping at the behest of C Smith, Esq....

Oh silly me.... whatever was I thinking??

For our visitors: filed your creditor claims yet? Best you do that quickly or the money will be gone.