Thread: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Todays' question isn't easy, so watch carefully.

Which one is the donkey and which one is the ass ???

I jumped. I laughed. I immediately hit play again once it had finished.

And the answer to your rhetorical question is - Neither of them.

Because Simon is a RAT.

simon smoking rat.jpg

Just a wild guess, but weren't they both asses? So hard to tell since they both looked so much alike.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Just a wild guess, but weren't they both asses? So hard to tell since they both looked so much alike.

CORRECT !!!

Give that man a cigar

I feel the turn of events with Danny Turner is fascinating. He has gone from apparently UK National Leader (whatever that means) to turncoat and Chief MAP Hater. The group has really gathered pace and seeing over 1300 people join in something like a week.

I think Eagle it the nail on the head when he said that having a former big voice in MAP turning makes way more impact than any of us “haters” saying it. Seeing once Kool-Aid drinking Mappers turning on the Booths and Stepsys feels like there is real dissent amongst the MAP/TAP community.

Danny seems to still have some MLM business (is Bitcoin mining MLM?), but it’s not being pushed in the group. I think that it would be great to have Tara join the group and be helpful for things like chargeback information, and pointing out more inconsistencies that the Booths have previously stated.

It now feels like there may just be enough people logging complaints tom Action Fraud that we may now have things going on behind the thin blue line that we don’t know. The more people from this group that contribute in there with their knowledge and facts, without being arsey to people that have previously got away with saying ridiculous things about us, the more momentum that group will have.

Also seeing Rainer Barton, who I defintley believed to be the German Stepsys, now publicly against the whole scam is incredible.

I can’t see TAP being anywhere near as popular as MAP, and surely the end is in sight. The question is whether that end is Deese and the Booths running off with their ill-gotten gains before the boys in blue step in and close the whole thing down.

Originally Posted by dondraper

I feel the turn of events with Danny Turner is fascinating. He has gone from apparently UK National Leader (whatever that means) to turncoat and Chief MAP Hater. The group has really gathered pace and seeing over 1300 people join in something like a week.

I think Eagle it the nail on the head when he said that having a former big voice in MAP turning makes way more impact than any of us “haters” saying it. Seeing once Kool-Aid drinking Mappers turning on the Booths and Stepsys feels like there is real dissent amongst the MAP/TAP community.

Danny seems to still have some MLM business (is Bitcoin mining MLM?), but it’s not being pushed in the group. I think that it would be great to have Tara join the group and be helpful for things like chargeback information, and pointing out more inconsistencies that the Booths have previously stated.

It now feels like there may just be enough people logging complaints tom Action Fraud that we may now have things going on behind the thin blue line that we don’t know. The more people from this group that contribute in there with their knowledge and facts, without being arsey to people that have previously got away with saying ridiculous things about us, the more momentum that group will have.

Also seeing Rainer Barton, who I defintley believed to be the German Stepsys, now publicly against the whole scam is incredible.

I can’t see TAP being anywhere near as popular as MAP, and surely the end is in sight. The question is whether that end is Deese and the Booths running off with their ill-gotten gains before the boys in blue step in and close the whole thing down.

100% agree...the info shared in the group is priceless and I stand by what I said before, regardless of who is in the group, we are actually making progress in bringing this scam down...BTW Tara or the map scam page admin will never join this group, that would make her 2nd in command and also go against her principles of engaging with past scammers in a positive way, so I say forget your issues with the scammers and lets work together as one because all there is now is bickering amongst the haters

Originally Posted by bellend

100% agree...the info shared in the group is priceless and I stand by what I said before, regardless of who is in the group, we are actually making progress in bringing this scam down...

Yay for that, although the inevitable was already well under way before this. Unfortunately, you'll never know how many of that group Turner and any of his followers are now silently "helping" to find their way to a MAP alternative.

Originally Posted by bellend

BTW Tara or the map scam page admin will never join this group, that would make her 2nd in command and also go against her principles of engaging with past scammers in a positive way,

She won't engage with past scammers, or is it current scammers turning on one of their past scams to make themselves look like a victim??

Originally Posted by bellend

so I say forget your issues with the scammers and lets work together as one because all there is now is bickering amongst the haters

I say do whatever the hell works for you. Personally, I couldn't work with somebody who claims to be "helping" shut down a scam that's already dying while most likely trolling the group for leads in his next scam du jour.

No bickering here. Simple difference of opinion.

Originally Posted by surfer

Yay for that, although the inevitable was already well under way before this. Unfortunately, you'll never know how many of that group Turner and any of his followers are now silently "helping" to find their way to a MAP alternative.

There's also the other alias' still in the scam as far as it's known.
what proof is there that he pulled those?
he's only voicing against the scam because he didn't get what he thought he should get - not because it's a scam.

Originally Posted by bellend

BTW Tara or the map scam page admin will never join this group, that would make her 2nd in command and also go against her principles of engaging with past scammers in a positive way

There's no proof Danny is a past scammer.

I know one very vocal person in Tara's circle that told me they were denied access to the group. It would seem Tara isn't the only one that hasn't buried the hatchet. I think you are also too easily dismissing the things you haven't experienced behind the scenes from Tara's perspective.





In some variation of what Don said lies for me the worth of the group. Others like Tara don't see it that that way, fair enough she's been preaching since long before these recent converts got religion.

Originally Posted by dondraper

I think Eagle it the nail on the head when he said that having a former big voice in MAP turning makes way more impact than any of us “haters” saying it. Seeing once Kool-Aid drinking Mappers turning on the Booths and Stepsys feels like there is real dissent amongst the MAP/TAP community.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

There's no proof Danny is a past scammer.

I know one very vocal person in Tara's circle that told me they were denied access to the group. It would seem Tara isn't the only one that hasn't buried the hatchet. I think you are also too easily dismissing the things you haven't experienced behind the scenes from Tara's perspective.

What's the story with this guy? I read, on Tara Talks, that he used the name Doede Khan and for me people using two names are generally sketchy. I know the info will be in this thread but the search facility on here isn't the best.

Originally Posted by repoman

What's the story with this guy? I read, on Tara Talks, that he used the name Doede Khan.

I don't think he did much Ponzi wise before MAP, seemed to knock around from job to job. I could be 100% wrong on this, just going from memory. I do remember various names, but forget the context in which they were used.

He really seemed to hit it big and built a nice downline in MAP. He ran the defunct/hidden https://www.facebook.com/pages/My-Ad...177610?fref=ts which was the source of some great banter for a while.

http://www.realscam.com/f9/my-advert...html#post88552

http://www.realscam.com/f9/my-advert...html#post89327


Currently he runs https://www.facebook.com/groups/dannyturner/ and it would be nice if someone could join and see whats being promoted. Not so subtle hint hint.

Originally Posted by repoman

I know the info will be in this thread but the search facility on here isn't the best.

I did a search for Danny Turner and it gave me a list of 4 pages. Should be a nuf for a helping of what was going on back in the day.

http://www.realscam.com/search.php?searchid=472023&pp=

Originally Posted by repoman

and for me people using two names are generally sketchy

I very much agree with this statement especially when it comes to money. But as a matter of principle I don't send my cash to people with one name either.

VX Gateway aren't hanging around. This must rank as the fastest Liquidation in history...vx liquid final date.jpg

by virtue of the MAP/TAP scam model, money laundering regulations must be invoked.

Without needing to get into the whole personality thing, IM(very)HO, while well intentioned, the group is pushing the proverbial uphill with it's current focus.

Civil action is slow and expensive and faces huge jurisdictional issues.

No matter how much "evidence" is gathered, it's useless if it can't be put in front of a court or judge.

Again, IM(very)HO, they need to focus their efforts on bombarding those who DO have influence and CAN do something effective.

This is a group of people who were prepared to "click on ten ads a day" every day

If everyone involved used an equal amount of time and enthusiasm to continually contact Action Fraud, the SEC, the media and politicians etc, THAT would be a game changer.

Get them involved, THEN present any evidence you have gathered, is the way to go.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Without needing to get into the whole personality thing, IM(very)HO, while well intentioned, the group is pushing the proverbial uphill with it's current focus.

Civil action is slow and expensive and faces huge jurisdictional issues.

No matter how much "evidence" is gathered, it's useless if it can't be put in front of a court or judge.

Again, IM(very)HO, they need to focus their efforts on bombarding those who DO have influence and CAN do something effective.

This is a group of people who were prepared to "click on ten ads a day" every day

If everyone involved used an equal amount of time and enthusiasm to continually contact Action Fraud, the SEC, the media and politicians etc, THAT would be a game changer.

Get them involved, THEN present any evidence you have gathered, is the way to go.

The owner of the The Advert Platform/My Advertising Pays Scam Facebook page (which isn't me, I'm second-in-command) has worked tirelessly over the last two years laying the foundations and doing the donkey work in getting 'My Advertising Pays' known to the authorites. This person is beyond amazing. We have pushed Action Fraud over and over and over again, because we know, quite simply, that if enough people complain, in large enough numbers, then something WILL be done. Whether people who push these schemes as a lifestyle choice (and continue to do so) will want to volunteer their names and details to the police remains to be seen. But I sincerely hope they do.
The Cheshire Police have opened an investigation already into MAPS. A letter from them was posted on our page, by an affiliate, many weeks ago and we have every reason to believe its real. And we're hoping, that once Traffic Monsoon has finally been given a court date, that the SEC will use all the information it has on MAP already, to close down Mikes activities as well.

Originally Posted by HARRISON

. We have pushed Action Fraud over and over and over again, because we know, quite simply, that if enough people complain, in large enough numbers, then something WILL be done.

EXACTLY !!

I find it amusing that people are prepared to click ten ads a day, but can't see the value of filling in ten Action Fraud complaints or sending ten emails to politicians a WEEK.

Originally Posted by HARRISON

The owner of the The Advert Platform/My Advertising Pays Scam Facebook page (which isn't me, I'm second-in-command) has worked tirelessly over the last two years laying the foundations and doing the donkey work in getting 'My Advertising Pays' known to the authorites. This person is beyond amazing. We have pushed Action Fraud over and over and over again, because we know, quite simply, that if enough people complain, in large enough numbers, then something WILL be done. Whether people who push these schemes as a lifestyle choice (and continue to do so) will want to volunteer their names and details to the police remains to be seen. But I sincerely hope they do.
The Cheshire Police have opened an investigation already into MAPS. A letter from them was posted on our page, by an affiliate, many weeks ago and we have every reason to believe its real. And we're hoping, that once Traffic Monsoon has finally been given a court date, that the SEC will use all the information it has on MAP already, to close down Mikes activities as well.

The owner/"second-in-command" of the The Advert Platform/My Advertising Pays Scam Facebook page has banned people who are anti-MAP/TAP and who contribute significantly to it's downfall with no reason given. There are many people who have worked tirelessly over the past two years doing donkey work to bring this scam to a halt.

I have met personally with the Deputy Director of the National Fraud Investigation Bureau to discuss MAP and they have no idea what it is all about. Cheshire Police are aware of MAP, but they are looking solely at Simon Stepsys, who is no more MAP than he was Banners Broker - they are looking in the wrong place.

I have no desire to bicker with anyone here. I think that RS posters are all very bright, intelligent people that really genuinely care about closing scams and preventing mass scale fraud which always inevetibly leads to people losing homes, marriages and in some cases lives - this is the reality. However, what is also true, is that many people that post here are seasoned anti-scammers, and as such are now almost hard wired to see anyone doing video's and social media posts pushing these Ponzi's as scammers. Many aren't scammers, they are just so far into the delusion and addicted to the numbers on a screen, and there withdrawals that they can't let go.

IMHO, the only true scammer outside of Deese, Booths, Ghobril is Stepsys. Some are Ponzi pimps who jump from one Ponzi to another playing the game. Others are just swept away with the adrenaline and dreams, and then you have the cannon fodder fools who are just naive and lonely and want to belong to a community that accepts them. When someone like Danny Turner starts opening his eyes, and then his mouth, we know we can affect change. Yes, MAP/TAP is in it's winter months now, but there still hangs a huge question mark as to whether it goes out with the admins of the scam laundering the money and living a life of Riley untouched by the authorities or whether it with them facing the law and having to deal with the relevant fraud charges. The momentum of Danny's group, and the turning of grassroots former MAPpers can only help be part of helping ensure there are enough Action Fraud complaints to start a real investigation and seizing assets.

One of the problems facing Action Fraud is that often the complaint makes no sense to them - it's not a coherent complaint.

By joining in on Danny's group and helping to steer the chorus of discontent in the right direction, you can only help. Some here need to put their ego's to one side and come together to drive the action that we all desire.



*steps of soapbox

Originally Posted by dondraper

One of the problems facing Action Fraud is that often the complaint makes no sense to them - it's not a coherent complaint.

After reading a few on the Facebook group I am inclined to agree. It would be useful for people to have a template to follow, the ones I read are too far in the weeds about purchasing ad packs and back offices.

I am thinking something along the lines of

Amount Invested
Amount Owed
Names of Top Promoters/Owner
A very simple explanation of $50 becoming $60 by clicking 10 ads
Reference the fact that this is the identical scam as Traffic Monsoon/Ad Surf Daily.

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by ribshaw

After reading a few on the Facebook group I am inclined to agree. It would be useful for people to have a template to follow, the ones I read are too far in the weeds about purchasing ad packs and back offices.

I am thinking something along the lines of

Amount Invested
Amount Owed
Names of Top Promoters/Owner
A very simple explanation of $50 becoming $60 by clicking 10 ads
Reference the fact that this is the identical scam as Traffic Monsoon/Ad Surf Daily.

Thoughts?

Agreed. Maybe include something about the reason they joined was the making easy/residual money basis.

This group is actually making a difference. I would encourage people from here to come and help guide some of these in the best way to speak to the relevant agencies.

Tara, i have no idea what your issue with me is as you have a point blank refusal to engage with me. You can make a massive difference with this group... you have more knowledge and recorded information about all of the inconsistencies than anyone else I have seen. Your knowledge of the chargeback system is second to none, and your blog is respected. By talking to the members of the group and supporting them directly you will be able to impact their lives pro-actively.

I sincerely hope that more anti-scam people from here can pitch in with advice and support to get this thing shut down and these fraudsters arrested as early as possible. Jack Mcgrath, Eagle, Scott Russell and myself are doing it, but there's still some scared and naive MAPpers in there that need you all.

Spamming social media will be extremely short lived...

Simon_Stepsys.jpg

Originally Posted by Bestbud

Spamming social media will be extremely short lived...

Simon_Stepsys.jpg

But stepsys said its a game changer...

Originally Posted by nerd

But stepsys said its a game changer...

It is,

The main problem with it is, while Septic Simon Stepsys, Mad Mike Deese, the Booths and other insiders are playing the "steal as much as you can" game, the members are playing the "donate as much as you can to the leaders" game

The bottom is dropping out of this one so fast, we had to take precautionary steps to protect readers' screens.

simon.mcmate.me

If anyone needed an extra incentive to contact Action Fraud, the SEC, their local politician and anyone else they can think of, then surely having their nose rubbed in it by Septic Simon Stepsys would do it.

Originally Posted by dondraper

However, what is also true, is that many people that post here are seasoned anti-scammers, and as such are now almost hard wired to see anyone doing video's and social media posts pushing these Ponzi's as scammers

Perhaps some people can accurately pick the scammers from the non scammers and the pretend non scammers.

Others realize it makes no difference.

Scammer, player, innocent dupe - the end result is the same, people are defrauded.

In fact an "enthusiastic amateur" can do more damage in terms of giving legitimacy to what would otherwise be dismissed as being "too good to be true"

They are an essential part of turning a HYIP ponzi scheme from "just another money game" into a multi million dollar "next-big-thing" such as MAP.

Trust is not a right, it has to be earned.

LRM, I concur mostly with you. It's shades of grey rather than black or white. But in this case, we don't need to trust any individual... trust them with what/for what?

It's a case of a former Mapper trying to bring down MAP by creating a groundswell to rise up and report. Where is the trust needed? People like us can just get in there and do what we need to do as there is a platform to do it. Who started the group is neither here nor there, and requires no intellectualisation. There is an audience of over 1300 people in there, some have made up their mind about MAP and others haven't - by bringing weight to the argument can only help.

What do we do here or on the scam pages on Facebook? Collect evidence and report on hearsay.... The Kool-Aid drinking masses have already been warned off going to these scam pages so there's no conversion to do. Speaking up on an open page where our comments aren't deleted is an opportunity to grab.

Having met with the NFIB I see how slow they are to grasp these 'new' style Ponzi's. Seriously, I walked away from my meeting deflated and disappointed.

We can sit here in our holier-than-though places and sneer at the Ponzi pimps and talk about they need to earn our trust, or we can get stuck in to groups like Danny's and make a difference. Time is not on our side.

I like the majority of the posters here (with knowing a few IRL), but to affect change means taking these risks. This thread is now at 298 pages and what have we collectively achieved? MAP has shut and rebooted twice already, and now relaunched for a third time. We need to try things we haven't done before if we want to make the difference.

Simon Stepsys is right about one thing, it does require taking "massive action".