Thread: World Peace thru MLM

Originally Posted by Doc Bunkum

Some of you may have seen this thread iamwil started over on scam.com this morning:



Now I'm not sure if Will was serious or not when he posted that, or just having fun, but it sure didn't take Chrispy to pick up on the idea:



It's a great idea?

Amway signed up tens of thousands in Poland in a very short time?

Seriously, where do you even start with people that post stuff like that?

With the massive failure rate of MLM companies, and the high failure rate of people who join MLM, wouldn't this idea be more likely to promote World War???

Originally Posted by iamwil

Ah just woke up from my afternoon nap...

I see another thousand in sales...that's nice... some notes regarding some zoning issues...oh and look my stalker is still watching...

Hi fly boy! (waves)

Here's your other stalker asking you to answer the same question I've now asked you seven times. Here it is again: http://www.realscam.com/f9/sound-familiar-130/#post2844

Originally Posted by iamwil

Now who exactly is lying. I have a job, a commute, a 40 hour work week, and more blah, blah, blah bullshit.

I think everyone can easily tell just who the pathological liar here, pal. You expect people to believe that you commute to a 40 hour a week job and that your employer allows you to take naps and be an internet forum board whore all day long every day of that work week and that is what he is paying you for? ROTFL!!!! I especially enjoyed the bullshit about making money while you were sleeping. Where have we heard that MLM bull speak before? lol Seriously, you should seek some professional help. Either that or take your comedy act on the road.

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

I think everyone can easily tell just who the pathological liar here, pal. You expect people to believe that you commute to a 40 hour a week job and that your employer allows you to take naps and be an internet forum board whore all day long every day of that work week and that is what he is paying you for? ROTFL!!!! I especially enjoyed the bullshit about making money while you were sleeping. Where have we heard that MLM bull speak before? lol

I guess that's why he won't answer my question. He's swamped.

ROTFL! And delusional to boot! It's amazing how much he seems to enjoy making a complete fool of himself in public on a daily basis and being caught in one lie after another. I wonder if he is actually disturbed enough to believe half of the crap he posts, let alone think that anyone else would.

I picture him getting up everyday, getting dressed for "work" and then just settling down at his home puter, believing he is working and at 5pm getting up and changing his clothes and telling everyone what an exhausting day he had. lmao I wonder if he packs a sammie and has a name plate on his tiny desk at home? This would make a great movie about a mentally disturbed guy caught between the imaginary life he leads and his actual life. Yikes!

ROTFL!!!! You gotta love that pic!

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

Here's your other stalker asking you to answer the same question I've now asked you seven times. Here it is again: http://www.realscam.com/f9/sound-familiar-130/#post2844

Okee dokee, I missed it and responded...thanx for the link... You asked it seven times?? Seriously? Which means you can provide me six more links and I'll answer each and everyone of those.

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

lol Seriously, you should seek some professional help. Either that or take your comedy act on the road.

I've done some standup...it is fun...but doesn't pay diddly. I couldn't imagine the grind of doing it city by city night by night, club by club. I left the entertainment biz...when the kids were born. Still have a number of friends who are active though...

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

I guess that's why he won't answer my question. He's swamped.

No, just missed it.

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

ROTFL!!!! You gotta love that pic!

Truly that would be livin the dream. But my other streams of income don't yet exceed my expenses... I use the day job to max out the over 50 401k catchup contributions and pay my insurance, pay taxes and the bills...

Someday I'll have the laptop under the cabana...I just ain't there yet. Still got two kids to put through college and they haven't even started yet! (of course my son has got some schools offering him a free ride....if my daughter could do the same that day might just come earlier)

Yo, Unsaved Trash,

Per your request, I answered your queerie over on that other thread...

But all it seems to have done is have our in house pilot move to that thread to lambast me, instead of this one.

Of course this post will most likely instead of institute a response from you either here or there simply bring him out of the woodwork or sky for yet another rant against me.

Originally Posted by iamwil

Yo, Unsaved Trash,

Per your request, I answered your queerie over on that other thread...

But all it seems to have done is have our in house pilot move to that thread to lambast me, instead of this one.

Of course this post will most likely instead of institute a response from you either here or there simply bring him out of the woodwork or sky for yet another rant against me.

I read your response. It didn't really warrant a comment, but since you're begging for one, here goes.

Do you think it's dishonest to post online while you're being paid to do otherwise? You would have to be at your regular job to post as frequently and often as you do.

Why isn't the business you work for, the 9-5 job, licensed with the State of MD? It's quite possible that it is and I can't find it. But I don't think so.

There is no BBB report on your employer. Why is that?

The reasons I'm asking the questions above is because it's about integrity, much lacking in the MLM world and the people involved.

In your online resume, your main claim to fame is TriVita over your paid job. You've been with them for 11 years and still haven't made a profit. In all honesty, do you think that's a wise move to continue with something for 11 years that is supposed to generate an income but hasn't? When do you call it quits? 11 years of no profit equals 11 years of zero profit and wasted time.

Do you actually believe that you could sell your TriVita business right now and if so, why? Who would buy it?

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

I read your response. It didn't really warrant a comment, but since you're begging for one, here goes.

Evidently it answered the question you claim to have asked seven times. And if you'll show me where the other six posts are I'll answer those as well.

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

Do you think it's dishonest to post online while you're being paid to do otherwise? You would have to be at your regular job to post as frequently and often as you do.

Why isn't the business you work for, the 9-5 job, licensed with the State of MD? It's quite possible that it is and I can't find it. But I don't think so.

There is no BBB report on your employer. Why is that?

The reasons I'm asking the questions above is because it's about integrity, much lacking in the MLM world and the people involved.

In your online resume, your main claim to fame is TriVita over your paid job. You've been with them for 11 years and still haven't made a profit. In all honesty, do you think that's a wise move to continue with something for 11 years that is supposed to generate an income but hasn't? When do you call it quits? 11 years of no profit equals 11 years of zero profit and wasted time.

Do you actually believe that you could sell your TriVita business right now and if so, why? Who would buy it?

As I said, work is slow, slowest its been in 15 years. I know what the business would sell for and know folks who who would be interested in buying it. You decide what you waste your time with, and I decide what I waste my time with. Creating revenue and value in mlm is not a waste of time to me. Like I said, this year it will provide the revenue for me to expand my business into Australia....that will be new, fun and exciting to me. And not at all a waste of time.

As to whether or not my employer has a bbb listing, I don't know. I perform my job, to the approval of our clients, we bill them, they pay my employer, my employer pays me. It is a very unique system. Only the way construction and other industry has proceeded for ever. I think they built the Empire State Building and Hoover Dam the same way. Now if our clients didn't pay us...my employment would be shortened by the company...and if my employer didn't pay me, my employment would be shortened by me. Again, a relatively new concept.

Originally Posted by iamwil

Evidently it answered the question you claim to have asked seven times. And if you'll show me where the other six posts are I'll answer those as well.

It was the same question, so there isn't any need. And that question went back as far as being posted at scam.com.

As I said, work is slow, slowest its been in 15 years.

That wasn't my question and your answer didn't even relate to it. I asked you if your employer pays you to post on the internet during working hours and if you feel that is ethical. Also, obviously business has been slow since Nov. of last year with the amount of posts you've racked up. And your employer has paid you to post on the internet about TriVita, politics, MLMs, and just about everything else? Or are you working on commission?

I know what the business would sell for and know folks who who would be interested in buying it.

Examples please. Can you show me even one person in TriVita that has sold his/her business?

You decide what you waste your time with, and I decide what I waste my time with. Creating revenue and value in mlm is not a waste of time to me. Like I said, this year it will provide the revenue for me to expand my business into Australia....that will be new, fun and exciting to me. And not at all a waste of time.

But you've been with TriVita for 11 years and haven't made a profit. So there is no "creating revenue and value." Can you justify those claims if you've failed to make a profit in 11 years?

Australia? I believe you said somewhere that you were going there to recruit. I'm not a tax expert, but I'm fairly certain that you will not be able to make that a tax write-off since your TriVita business would be classified as a hobby with the IRS. If you haven't made a profit in the USA in 11 years, do you actually think it's going to be any different in AU? Since your answer will most likely be "yes," please elaborate.

As to whether or not my employer has a bbb listing, I don't know. I perform my job, to the approval of our clients, we bill them, they pay my employer, my employer pays me. It is a very unique system. Only the way construction and other industry has proceeded for ever. I think they built the Empire State Building and Hoover Dam the same way. Now if our clients didn't pay us...my employment would be shortened by the company...and if my employer didn't pay me, my employment would be shortened by me. Again, a relatively new concept.

You once again failed to address the issue of your employer being licensed by the State of MD. Construction companies are required to be licensed in MD. Correct me if I'm wrong. Yes, Wil, even subcontractors are required to be licensed. Why do you think your employer is exempt from that? THAT is not a relatively new concept. As for the BBB, all you have to do is a search. There is no listing with the BBB. That is unusual.

Again, my employers businesss is his business. While you love to get into my business, I have no need of getting ito his. If I were working for xerox, IBM or Bill Gates, I'd just do the job and get a check...I wouldn't look into their BBB rating or licensing after 15 years....

Any commissions I earn in the AU are paid to me by the INTL HQ in the USA.

Again, I am here to discuss and answer you guys honestly, you don't like that.

Let's see what would sound better that I made hundreds of thousands in profits, drove a ferrari and commuted from my bedroom to the den everyday or the truth?

The truth is I have made revenue, my expenses meet or exceed the revenue therefor little if any profit, therefor I work everyday to pay bills, and drive a little American car...

So obviously what sells me as a big time networker would be the lies you are wishing I would make. You don't like the truth, but are just so enamoured with knowing everything about me wishing to search me out. I'm just an American Joe trying to make a living... so shoot me.

Originally Posted by iamwil

Again, my employers businesss is his business. While you love to get into my business, I have no need of getting ito his. If I were working for xerox, IBM or Bill Gates, I'd just do the job and get a check...I wouldn't look into their BBB rating or licensing after 15 years....

I was into my employer's business because if they weren't on the up and up, I wouldn't have had anything to do with them. So I feel my question is valid and I'm sure that if you invested any length of time researching for an explanation as you do posting, you might have an answer. It's all relative to ethics and the laws.

Any commissions I earn in the AU are paid to me by the INTL HQ in the USA.

That is not even remotely related to what I asked you.

Again, I am here to discuss and answer you guys honestly, you don't like that.

No Wil, I think you're really, really good at avoiding the questions posed. You gloss over them and pretend you didn't see them or read them.

Let's see what would sound better that I made hundreds of thousands in profits, drove a ferrari and commuted from my bedroom to the den everyday or the truth?

The truth is I have made revenue, my expenses meet or exceed the revenue therefor little if any profit, therefor I work everyday to pay bills, and drive a little American car...

So let's say you break even, after 11 years in TriVita, do you have anything of value to show for those 11 years? That is the question. Much like the question you've failed to answer about being able to sell your business.

So obviously what sells me as a big time networker would be the lies you are wishing I would make. You don't like the truth, but are just so enamoured with knowing everything about me wishing to search me out. I'm just an American Joe trying to make a living... so shoot me.

If you put it out there, then why shouldn't we question it? You're the one making the claims, correct? It's not us. I've yet to call you a scammer, a liar, or anything like that. I'm asking you questions to validate what you claim. You fail to do that. In other words, if you make the claims, be able to back them up. You seem to take offense to that.

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

So let's say you break even, after 11 years in TriVita, do you have anything of value to show for those 11 years? That is the question.

He won't break even or make a profit until after the trip to Austrailia. Sound familiar?

How many freakin' launches can you have of the same crap? I would imagine there have been a few after an illustrious 11 year career peddling TriVita's mystery juice and who knows what else.

You asked a very good and relevant question. If you can't expand your business in your own backyard...how in the hell are you going to do it in Austrailia?

Are the poeple in Austrailia more anxious and willing to peddle the latest mlm mystery juice? Of course the answer to that will go something like this..

"Our juice is a unique antioxidant blend of 7 special herbs only found in the sub-tropical rainforrests of BumFuK Egypt....blah...blah....blah....more bullshit.....blah.... blah.....additional bullshit......and we have a money back gurantee"

"You can't find this in Australia .....blah....blah.....additional bullshit......."

11 years later in the year 2021...REPEAT ABOVE.

Originally Posted by James R

He won't break even or make a profit until after the trip to Austrailia. Sound familiar?

How many freakin' launches can you have of the same crap? I would imagine there have been a few after an illustrious 11 year career peddling TriVita's mystery juice and who knows what else.

You asked a very good and relevant question. If you can't expand your business in your own backyard...how in the hell are you going to do it in Austrailia?

Are the poeple in Austrailia more anxious and willing to peddle the latest mlm mystery juice? Of course the answer to that will go something like this..

"Our juice is a unique antioxidant blend of 7 special herbs only found in the sub-tropical rainforrests of BumFuK Egypt....blah...blah....blah....more bullshit.....blah.... blah.....additional bullshit......and we have a money back gurantee"

"You can't find this in Australia under.......blah....blah.....additional bullshit......."

11 years later in the year 2021...REPEAT ABOVE.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. But I would hate to be a dream stealer.

Oh, my I claim I work. You'd prefer I am amongst the ranks of the unemployed.

Oh my I claim I have expenses with my business that often exceed my revenue. This is exactly what anti-mlmers often claim happens and consider this being a loser. You all here are perfectly happy calling me a loser. And I am perfectly happy with what I am doing...and you just don't seem happy with that.

Thank you JamesR for your contribution......My business is steadily increasing, hence the revenue to pay for the trip...

I'd like to see my revenues continue to go up and have to go to New Zealand, Hong Kong, Taiwan, it would be wonderful...

Originally Posted by iamwil

Oh, my I claim I work. You'd prefer I am amongst the ranks of the unemployed.

Oh my I claim I have expenses with my business that often exceed my revenue. This is exactly what anti-mlmers often claim happens and consider this being a loser. You all here are perfectly happy calling me a loser. And I am perfectly happy with what I am doing...and you just don't seem happy with that.

Thank you JamesR for your contribution......My business is steadily increasing, hence the revenue to pay for the trip...

I'd like to see my revenues continue to go up and have to go to New Zealand, Hong Kong, Taiwan, it would be wonderful...

How can your revenue pay for your trip when you don't make a profit?

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

How can your revenue pay for your trip when you don't make a profit?

profit is what is left after expenses are taken out....

Originally Posted by iamwil

profit is what is left after expenses are taken out....

Since you have not made a profit in TriVita, your revenue would be flat. Now if you choose to go to AU as stated, that would entail that you spend your own money to go, will most likely not add to your revenue, and it is not tax deductible because you have yet to make a profit in the 11 years you've been with the company. The IRS would declare this to be a hobby and not allow that deduction.

And your reasoning is?

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

Since you have not made a profit in TriVita, your revenue would be flat. Now if you choose to go to AU as stated, that would entail that you spend your own money to go, will most likely not add to your revenue, and it is not tax deductible because you have yet to make a profit in the 11 years you've been with the company. The IRS would declare this to be a hobby and not allow that deduction.

And your reasoning is?

Maybe my language is incorrect? I receive comission checks weekly and monthly. I use the comission checks to increase my comission checks. I have been saving some of the comission checks lately to prepare for a trip to Australia...So I've got this weekly, monthly revenue, and then I've got business expenses...after expenses...what is left over I call profit...actual cash for me to use outside of my business expenses. My trip to australia will be paid for out of revenue....any money left at the end of the year after the trip, after advertising, after going to conference, after reward gifts to my affiliates...that will be profit...if there is any.

I guess I'm using different terminology? Maybe you'd like to use gross profit...which I recieve and net profit that left over after expenses?

Originally Posted by iamwil

Maybe my language is incorrect? I receive comission checks weekly and monthly. I use the comission checks to increase my comission checks. I have been saving some of the comission checks lately to prepare for a trip to Australia...So I've got this weekly, monthly revenue, and then I've got business expenses...after expenses...what is left over I call profit...actual cash for me to use outside of my business expenses. My trip to australia will be paid for out of revenue....any money left at the end of the year after the trip, after advertising, after going to conference, after reward gifts to my affiliates...that will be profit...if there is any.

I guess I'm using different terminology? Maybe you'd like to use gross profit...which I recieve and net profit that left over after expenses?

Yes, you should. No profit means zero. So regardless of your revenue, after you deduct everything, it equals zero. So if you dip into the revenue and you're already not making a profit, your trip will cost you money the same as a vacation would. You cannot use it as a tax deduction.

Example: Revenue from TriVita = $10,000
Expenses = $10,000
Profit = 0
Trip to AU = $6,000
Loss = $6,000

Or am I missing something?

Originally Posted by iamwil

Maybe my language is incorrect? I receive comission checks weekly and monthly. I use the comission checks to increase my comission checks. I have been saving some of the comission checks lately to prepare for a trip to Australia...So I've got this weekly, monthly revenue, and then I've got business expenses...after expenses...what is left over I call profit...actual cash for me to use outside of my business expenses. My trip to australia will be paid for out of revenue....any money left at the end of the year after the trip, after advertising, after going to conference, after reward gifts to my affiliates...that will be profit...if there is any.

I guess I'm using different terminology? Maybe you'd like to use gross profit...which I recieve and net profit that left over after expenses?

This is laughable and embarrassing for you. You claim to own and run a business and be a businessman, yet you do not even understand simple and basic accounting and bookkeeping terms? Seriously? You are kidding right? There is no "different terminology". Everyone in business, every business and corporation and any small business, I don't care what type of legit business that it is, uses the exact same terminology. Then you guess at the terminology, which you are still using incorrectly, and use question marks. Holy cow. That's all I can say.

WTF does "I use commission checks to increase my commission checks" mean exactly? ROTFL! You have no clue what you are even talking about do you?

Originally Posted by iamwil

My trip to australia will be paid for out of revenue....any money left at the end of the year after the trip, after advertising, after going to conference, after reward gifts to my affiliates...that will be profit...if there is any.

Why do I keep hearing this from the MLMers that don't make any money? What you're really saying is that in 11 years of not turning a profit with TriVita, this year will be different. How many years have you been saying that and how many years are you going to give it before you throw in the towel?

Here is another example for you. Every weekday a woman takes her 2 kids to daycare at a cost of $500 per week. She earns $550 per week. It costs her $50 per week for gas and to maintain the car. Unless she received health benefits, she would be working for free or at a loss after taxes. Welfare would be a better option for her. In your case, there is a word for it.

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

Yes, you should. No profit means zero. So regardless of your revenue, after you deduct everything, it equals zero. So if you dip into the revenue and you're already not making a profit, your trip will cost you money the same as a vacation would. You cannot use it as a tax deduction.

Example: Revenue from TriVita = $10,000
Expenses = $10,000
Profit = 0
Trip to AU = $6,000
Loss = $6,000

Or am I missing something?

Yup...

revenue 10 k
expenses 10k
trip to AU (6k included as expenses in above 10K)
profit...0

eg...I'm making enough to pay for the trip...

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

This is laughable and embarrassing for you. You claim to own and run a business and be a businessman, yet you do not even understand simple and basic accounting and bookkeeping terms? Seriously? You are kidding right? There is no "different terminology". Everyone in business, every business and corporation and any small business, I don't care what type of legit business that it is, uses the exact same terminology. Then you guess at the terminology, which you are still using incorrectly, and use question marks. Holy cow. That's all I can say.

WTF does "I use commission checks to increase my commission checks" mean exactly? ROTFL! You have no clue what you are even talking about do you?

I said it repeatedly you and yours didn't get it...I was laughing long before you...tis ok you caught up...but in case you didn't lets try again.

Billy gives me 5 rubber duckies for my efforts...

I trade away 4 rubber duckies for future rubber duckies...

That leaves me 1 rubber duckie now...

Get it? Now quit fartin in the tub.

Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

Why do I keep hearing this from the MLMers that don't make any money? What you're really saying is that in 11 years of not turning a profit with TriVita, this year will be different. How many years have you been saying that and how many years are you going to give it before you throw in the towel?

Here is another example for you. Every weekday a woman takes her 2 kids to daycare at a cost of $500 per week. She earns $550 per week. It costs her $50 per week for gas and to maintain the car. Unless she received health benefits, she would be working for free or at a loss after taxes. Welfare would be a better option for her. In your case, there is a word for it.

I could choose to reduce my effort and not see increased sales over the course. I could sit on my laurels and collect a check for a year or two...I choose to do that at this juncture.

Seems to me that is my choice...and has little bearing on you fellas, but you seem to think otherwise.